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#21 Mike Steele

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Posted 24 September 2016 - 0941 AM

I like that idea Arawa. However..it's not tenable ethically. 


I really think that despite a clear and intense paleoclimatic effect, changes in solar activity are not properly accounted for in our current understanding of climate forcings due to our ignorance of the underlying physical mechanisms. This underestimation of solar forcing has the inevitable consequence of an overestimation of anthropogenic forcing.

Neither is "throwing them in jail for being 'climate change deniers" either" but  they did so...


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#22 Mike Steele

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Posted 24 September 2016 - 0941 AM

I like that idea Arawa. However..it's not tenable ethically. 


I really think that despite a clear and intense paleoclimatic effect, changes in solar activity are not properly accounted for in our current understanding of climate forcings due to our ignorance of the underlying physical mechanisms. This underestimation of solar forcing has the inevitable consequence of an overestimation of anthropogenic forcing.

Neither is "throwing them in jail for being 'climate change deniers" either" but  they did so...


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#23 lucklucky

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Posted 24 September 2016 - 1307 PM

Some confuse Marxism and Communism.  Marxism can be Communism or Fascism and several strands in between.

 

Leftists puritans as they are they are always seeking for the Sins of Western Civilization. That is what made its widespread acceptation in Media.

 Others go in the bandwagon because: they want to be loved, they feel they need to go with it, others profit from it - note that profit does not mean necessarely $$$$, profit also means power over others. Others want to give meaning to their lives having a survival combat...

 

 

About the subject we don't have means, knowledge and data to understand climate.


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#24 Cinaruco

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Posted 24 September 2016 - 1355 PM


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#25 Jeff

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Posted 24 September 2016 - 1451 PM

Also, those that believe quite strongly in the climate change being created by modern society are entirely free to discard their modern technological trappings and adopt a life as a hunter gather who does not contribute at all to the CO2 problem or any of the other pollution problems. 

 

This.

 

Recently read that Leonardo DiCaprio, took a private jet from Cannes, where he was staying on a megayacht, to fly thousands of miles to accept an award for his global warming awareness efforts and then promptly flew back to continue partying with his fellow SJWs. But don't worry, he owns a Prius!


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#26 Mr King

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Posted 24 September 2016 - 1520 PM

But then that would mean they would have to give up on using "climate change" as an excuse to exert control over OTHER peoples lives. You know, the little people, without private jets, mega yachts, limos, and $600,000 vacation homes in Vermont.  The tiny proles going about their lives are the real threat against successfully fighting climate change. 


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Posted 24 September 2016 - 1605 PM

 

 

Well the article does specifically call out people who believe in free market economics, which I feel isn't necessary for their point.[/b]

The best graph of temperature I've ever seen:

http://xkcd.com/1732/

 
Like I said kids, don't go being politically insane. 

Imagine if the alt right started offering pro climate action policy prescriptions like dramatically limiting movement of persons from low carbon (3rd world) to high carbon economies (1st world), or favouring low carbon tech (aka nuclear power), or promoting carbon sustainable "fair trade" (because who can trust the PRC).

Greenpeace/Climate Action would welcome their new found allies with open arms right.... right ?

 

Well, there are environmental activists over here who argue for nuclear power as preferable to pumping loads of CO2 into the atmosphere. Others now say there's nothing wrong with it in principle but it's too bloody expensive & takes too long to build. So what's your argument?

 

BTW, poor does not necessarily equal low carbon. On average, yes, but clearing forests releases a lot of CO2. Burning forests (to clear land for farming) so carelessly that you set fire to peat beds (it happens) can release so much CO2 that it boosts a middle income country to the upper tiers of the CO2 release per head league, & in some rich countries the net effect of land use changes is to reduce atmospheric CO2. China emits more per head than the EU, despite being much poorer. And so on . . .


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Posted 24 September 2016 - 1608 PM

 

Also, those that believe quite strongly in the climate change being created by modern society are entirely free to discard their modern technological trappings and adopt a life as a hunter gather who does not contribute at all to the CO2 problem or any of the other pollution problems. 

 

This.

 

Recently read that Leonardo DiCaprio, took a private jet from Cannes, where he was staying on a megayacht, to fly thousands of miles to accept an award for his global warming awareness efforts and then promptly flew back to continue partying with his fellow SJWs. But don't worry, he owns a Prius!

 

I hate hypocritical arseholes like that.


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#29 Ivanhoe

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Posted 24 September 2016 - 1635 PM

They're all hypocrites;

 

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We've been badgered by the Climascolds for 30 years now. 10+ years ago, oil companies were using teleconferencing. Aren't the scolds a bit late to the party?

 

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Posted 24 September 2016 - 1640 PM


 

 

Well the article does specifically call out people who believe in free market economics, which I feel isn't necessary for their point.[/b]

The best graph of temperature I've ever seen:

http://xkcd.com/1732/

 
Like I said kids, don't go being politically insane. 
Imagine if the alt right started offering pro climate action policy prescriptions like dramatically limiting movement of persons from low carbon (3rd world) to high carbon economies (1st world), or favouring low carbon tech (aka nuclear power), or promoting carbon sustainable "fair trade" (because who can trust the PRC).

Greenpeace/Climate Action would welcome their new found allies with open arms right.... right ?
 
Well, there are environmental activists over here who argue for nuclear power as preferable to pumping loads of CO2 into the atmosphere. Others now say there's nothing wrong with it in principle but it's too bloody expensive & takes too long to build. So what's your argument?
 
BTW, poor does not necessarily equal low carbon. On average, yes, but clearing forests releases a lot of CO2. Burning forests (to clear land for farming) so carelessly that you set fire to peat beds (it happens) can release so much CO2 that it boosts a middle income country to the upper tiers of the CO2 release per head league, & in some rich countries the net effect of land use changes is to reduce atmospheric CO2. China emits more per head than the EU, despite being much poorer. And so on . . .
Oh I'm aware of pro nuclear environmentalists (eg Lovelock and Moore). But I'm also aware their ideas are generally ignored or outright disavowed by climate action activists in my nation, and also overseas. This is due to pro nuclear policies are a poor fit with the wider world view (political partisanship) of climate action/ gen zero follk. My point was that to get effective solutions - good ideas and allies can come from all points of the spectrum, and should not be dismissed because of where they sit politically.

In regard to low vs high carbon economies. Generally low carbon output is a hallmark of badly performing or undeveloped economies, such as those found in the third world. I'm aware that this imbalance is used to bolster the arguments of climate justice activists when complaining about the unfairness of climate impacts. So in short - yes, I was referring to the averages.

Edited by Arawa, 24 September 2016 - 1706 PM.

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#31 Mr King

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Posted 24 September 2016 - 1706 PM

 

They're all hypocrites;

 

Spoiler

 

It is not like they are going to let something like the climate change apocalypse get in the way of being wined and dined on the tax payer dime in far off locations. 


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Posted 24 September 2016 - 1825 PM

Stop giving 1st world taxpayer thefted free shit (infrastructure, medicine) to the 3rd world, and their population will crash back down to more Gaia friendly levels.  Basically, the entire population of the 3rd world contributes nothing to the advancement of humanity as a species, they just eat, shit and breed.  

 

Get as butt hurt about this fact as you like, it's as certain as the sunrise.  Harden the fuck up.  S/F....Ken M


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Posted 25 September 2016 - 0844 AM

Stop giving 1st world taxpayer thefted free shit (infrastructure, medicine) to the 3rd world, and their population will crash back down to more Gaia friendly levels.  Basically, the entire population of the 3rd world contributes nothing to the advancement of humanity as a species, they just eat, shit and breed.  

 

Get as butt hurt about this fact as you like, it's as certain as the sunrise.  Harden the fuck up.  S/F....Ken M

Dear God in heaven, could you please run for President?  I know that you won't win, but the reactions to this on a national level would be the most entertainment I can handle. . .


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#34 Mike Steele

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Posted 25 September 2016 - 0954 AM

 

Stop giving 1st world taxpayer thefted free shit (infrastructure, medicine) to the 3rd world, and their population will crash back down to more Gaia friendly levels.  Basically, the entire population of the 3rd world contributes nothing to the advancement of humanity as a species, they just eat, shit and breed.  

 

Get as butt hurt about this fact as you like, it's as certain as the sunrise.  Harden the fuck up.  S/F....Ken M

Dear God in heaven, could you please run for President?  I know that you won't win, but the reactions to this on a national level would be the most entertainment I can handle. . .

 

 

He certainly will give the SJW Snowflakes here hissy fits (You know who you are) :D :D


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Posted 25 September 2016 - 1246 PM

E5M/General Mattis Make América Feared Again
I would vote for that.
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#36 Ivanhoe

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Posted 25 September 2016 - 1432 PM

I found some artwork perfect for billboard advertising;

 

"Time for a new kind of leader!"

 

Spoiler

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#37 Panzermann

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Posted 25 September 2016 - 1555 PM

I found some artwork perfect for billboard advertising;
 
"Time for a new kind of leader!"
 



Nah, just use bis avatar. I think it is from Beyond Thunderdome :D

What is his party's name? The Reactionaries? ;)
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#38 Mobius

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Posted 25 September 2016 - 1608 PM

 

 

Well the article does specifically call out people who believe in free market economics, which I feel isn't necessary for their point.[/b]

The best graph of temperature I've ever seen:

http://xkcd.com/1732/

 
Like I said kids, don't go being politically insane. 

Imagine if the alt right started offering pro climate action policy prescriptions like dramatically limiting movement of persons from low carbon (3rd world) to high carbon economies (1st world), or favouring low carbon tech (aka nuclear power), or promoting carbon sustainable "fair trade" (because who can trust the PRC).

Greenpeace/Climate Action would welcome their new found allies with open arms right.... right ?

 

+1

But, it political dynamite to go after population control to stop global warming.  Whether just limiting the number or limiting where they live.

http://www.theatlant...k-about/382197/

So the only PC solution is to raise taxes.  Ain't that scientific.


Edited by Mobius, 25 September 2016 - 1608 PM.

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#39 EchoFiveMike

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Posted 25 September 2016 - 1800 PM

Campaign advert already done.

 

 

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Posted 25 September 2016 - 1803 PM

http://e-tangata.co....the-slave-trade

Climate change is like slave trade...written by a "Pacific" (btw which nation/ethnicity is that exactly) studies academic. Most importantly though no actual policy ideas, just a loose set of accusations against the economic system, mass consumer culture, and how we all must identify as "victims" of our economic interactions.

I'm sure a high profile defender of climate science will be along to repudiate this nonsense. I won't hold my breath. But seriously, this could have been written as a troll piece by the anti climate change crowd.

Edited by Arawa, 25 September 2016 - 1804 PM.

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