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#81 shep854

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Posted 28 March 2018 - 0750 AM

Wasn't a circle around the star a recognition feature for Commonwealth vehicles, at least in WWII?


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Posted 28 March 2018 - 0850 AM

Possibly, but I thought I had seen American tanks with that as well. Perhaps that was Italy, where they would have come under British command?


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Posted 28 March 2018 - 1051 AM

Possibly, but I thought I had seen American tanks with that as well. Perhaps that was Italy, where they would have come under British command?

US vehicles didn't totally lose their white stars until the 1970s when they were replaced by much smaller black stars.  It wasn't until the early 80s that we lost those too.


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Posted 28 March 2018 - 1115 AM

Yeah, Im sure ive seen a picture of an M1 with a black star on it, albeit a small one.

 

Not sure about the circles though, ive certainly seen them on British M4's on the roof, but I assumed the circle round it was an allied, not just commonwealth thing.


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Posted 28 March 2018 - 1139 AM

US vehicles didn't totally lose their white stars until the 1970s when they were replaced by much smaller black stars.  It wasn't until the early 80s that we lost those too.

Didn't notice them at Ft Stewart, 24th ID '80-'81, or in Germany, 2nd AD(FWD) "81-'83, so they were probably phased out over time.


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Posted 28 March 2018 - 1215 PM

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Posted 28 March 2018 - 1704 PM

Korean War (colorized):

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Are the troops in the foreground Australian? The No 1 MkIII or III* rifles and Owen SMG make me think they might be.


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#88 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 29 March 2018 - 0636 AM

Possibly, they were part of the Commonwealth Division.

https://en.wikipedia...wealth_Division

 

Its too bad that as a concept fell apart by the 1960s. It must have been one of the first postwar multinational formations.


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Posted 31 March 2018 - 1756 PM

 

Korean War (colorized):

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Are the troops in the foreground Australian? The No 1 MkIII or III* rifles and Owen SMG make me think they might be.

 

 

Even if they are serving in the Australia Army there is a good chance that they are actually British.  Australia let its army run down quite a bit after WW2 and recruited heavily in Britain from WW2 vets there to make up the numbers.  My late father in law was in the 8th Army in North Africa and Italy / northward.  He, and others, were offered Australian residency, free migration etc for coming to fight in Korea.


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#90 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 01 April 2018 - 0207 AM

Im reminded of a story about one of the troop ships taking British troops out to Korea in 1951 passing through the panama canal. Some soldiers on the bank shouted at the troops on the ship to 'Get their knee's brown!'.

 

'We got them brown in '41!' came the reply. Probably followed by an expletive, it being the British Army and all :)

 

There was a lot of WW2 veterans that fought in Korea, I guess largely because they were the best experienced. There was also an unfortunate side effect that people whom had been prisoners of war in WW2 were also called up, till there was an urgent debate in Parliament about it and they were brought back.

 

So yes, it doesnt surprise me Australia was doing the same thing. I guess in an urgent crisis we would probably be calling back lots of Afghan and Iraq veterans as well.


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Posted 01 April 2018 - 0219 AM

Im reminded of a story about one of the troop ships taking British troops out to Korea in 1951 passing through the panama canal. Some soldiers on the bank shouted at the troops on the ship to 'Get their knee's brown!'.

 

'We got them brown in '41!' came the reply. Probably followed by an expletive, it being the British Army and all :)

 

There was a lot of WW2 veterans that fought in Korea, I guess largely because they were the best experienced. There was also an unfortunate side effect that people whom had been prisoners of war in WW2 were also called up, till there was an urgent debate in Parliament about it and they were brought back.

 

So yes, it doesnt surprise me Australia was doing the same thing. I guess in an urgent crisis we would probably be calling back lots of Afghan and Iraq veterans as well.

 

Remarkable story, but one of many of his remarkable generation:

 

http://www.themercur...a295138abe46b85


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Posted 27 April 2018 - 2318 PM

Captured Centurion...does anyone know the date and place this photo was taken?

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Posted 28 April 2018 - 0052 AM

That is interesting.  105mm and with the AVDS-1790.  You can tell it has the 1790 by the raised deck and side loading air cleaner box.  Almost has to be 1973 Egypt abandoned on the wrong side of the canal.  My other thought was 1971 Indo-Pak war for the liberation of Bangladesh but I don't think India ever re-engined their Centurions with the 1790.


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Posted 28 April 2018 - 0352 AM

No, it's Syria, the dark helmets are the giveaway, and the Cent is still there:

 

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Posted 16 May 2018 - 2303 PM

Another interesting Centurion pic...

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 0346 AM

20 Pounder Type B barrels IIRC, which is how many of them were originally delivered. So this is fairly early on with them being a Centurion user.  Hats to me say very early 1960's?


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Posted 20 May 2018 - 2225 PM

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Posted 21 May 2018 - 0744 AM


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Posted 14 June 2018 - 1315 PM

How did an M113 with an ACAV style Commanders protective armour end up in Syria?  Ditto AMX-VCI? Guessing they came from Lebanon, but how and why?


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Posted 14 June 2018 - 1903 PM

How did an M113 with an ACAV style Commanders protective armour end up in Syria?  Ditto AMX-VCI? Guessing they came from Lebanon, but how and why?

 

Possibly from Israel's 1982 intervention in Lebanon.  Israel knew it would be facing insurgents and close-quarters combat so it would make sense for the IDF to have the 'Okinawa' (ACAV) commander's armor fabricated for its M113s.


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