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#2261 bojan

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Posted 19 September 2019 - 1719 PM

Not arguing about what type of gun it was, but BK-5M 100mm and BK-2 85mm HEAT also had same type of the folding fins.


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Posted 20 September 2019 - 0648 AM

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#2263 Chris Werb

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Posted 20 September 2019 - 0732 AM

One of my favourites:

 

http://www.tanks-enc...e-90mm-cati-90/


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#2264 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 20 September 2019 - 0741 AM

 

 

love it. Any pentration data available after all these years from that 183 mm gun ?

I don't think you can get a sensible number, as 'penetration' means breaking the armor, which will depend on the distance to welds etc.

Apparently testing against tank targets produced 2/2 effective kills (one turret torn off; one mantlet shattered and turret made inoperable).

Edit - here we go:

'The 183mm was tested in live fire trials against a Centurion and a Conqueror. In 2 shots, the 183 blew the turret clean off the Centurion, and split the mantlet of the Conqueror in half.'

http://www.tanks-enc...heavy-gun-tank/

 

Sounds like a sledgehammer compared to an icepick.

 

Im told the director of the RAC, when informed about the development of this weapon, said 'And you field that over my dead body'. :D


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#2265 Chris Werb

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Posted 20 September 2019 - 0757 AM

Stuart, can you recommend any good books about post-war British AFV or B vehicle development?


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#2266 KV7

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Posted 20 September 2019 - 1952 PM

 

 

 

love it. Any pentration data available after all these years from that 183 mm gun ?

I don't think you can get a sensible number, as 'penetration' means breaking the armor, which will depend on the distance to welds etc.

Apparently testing against tank targets produced 2/2 effective kills (one turret torn off; one mantlet shattered and turret made inoperable).

Edit - here we go:

'The 183mm was tested in live fire trials against a Centurion and a Conqueror. In 2 shots, the 183 blew the turret clean off the Centurion, and split the mantlet of the Conqueror in half.'

http://www.tanks-enc...heavy-gun-tank/

 

Sounds like a sledgehammer compared to an icepick.

 

Im told the director of the RAC, when informed about the development of this weapon, said 'And you field that over my dead body'. :D

 

I recently saw an estimate of 300mm penetration, presumably quite independent of angle of incidence. But if so it is a kludge as the mechanism of damage is not 'penetration'.


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Posted 23 September 2019 - 1725 PM

What is this armoured car, from the 1949 founding of the PRC parade ?

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#2268 bojan

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Posted 23 September 2019 - 1911 PM

Improvised on the truck chassis.


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#2269 Chris Werb

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Posted 26 September 2019 - 1602 PM

Apparently also 1949, Shanghai

 

https://www.flickr.c...card/4562612711


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#2270 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 27 September 2019 - 0140 AM

Stuart, can you recommend any good books about post-war British AFV or B vehicle development?

 

Not really, nothing that compares to Fletchers broad strokes tomes.

 

There is this, but you might have a job getting hold of it now.

https://www.amazon.c...gateway&sr=8-14


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Posted 19 November 2019 - 0026 AM

Really it is how they used that beam with links on top?

 

So British, it leaks tea

 


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Posted 19 November 2019 - 0057 AM

Yep, the rails were so that the beam would clear as it rode forward on the tracks.
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#2273 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 19 November 2019 - 0218 AM

Thank you for sharing that, its brilliant. I kind of wish I had put more effort into my motorized Tamiya MkIV now. :D


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Posted 19 November 2019 - 0455 AM

Is that what those rails on the hull roof are for? To make sure the unditching beam can dragged around over the top of the hull in a continuous loop?
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Posted 19 November 2019 - 1113 AM

Is that what those rails on the hull roof are for? To make sure the unditching beam can dragged around over the top of the hull in a continuous loop?

Yep, and for stowage as well, so the crew could ostensibly chain it to the tracks without having to manhandle it around since it weighed half a ton or so.
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Posted 22 November 2019 - 0530 AM

Not an AFV, but definitely weird:

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Posted 22 November 2019 - 1318 PM

Lockheed tried an all-terrain carrier as well, but Crismon says there were reliability issues with the complex arrangement. A single prototype remains in Vicksburg, MS.

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#2278 Panzermann

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Posted 22 November 2019 - 1336 PM

Looks like a collection of the weird & wonderful. That in the back with the tilted forward cab looks like a HMMWV adn a GAZ-66 had a drunken night. that LVT-ish vehicle with the track made of balloon tires to the left. then what kind of a MAN Kat1 is that? I have never seen one like that before. the exhaust is weird pointing down so deep. Also details of the cab are different from regulöar models. certainly is different from the ones the USAF used for their ladn based BGM-109G.


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Posted 22 November 2019 - 1426 PM

The HMMWV/GAZ-66 is a COHHV HMMWVtruck prototype.
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The LVT-ish vehicle is an XM759:





The MAN is a GMC candidate for the palletized loading system contract, which Oshkosh eventually won. It's essentially a MAN underneath as I understand it.

Also visible in the background of that picture is a MEXA-Clark articulated 8x8 truck and a screw-propulsion riverine utility craft.
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#2280 Panzermann

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Posted 23 November 2019 - 0934 AM

Thank you. Interesting collection for sure.

The MAN is a GMC candidate for the palletized loading system contract, which Oshkosh eventually won. It's essentially a MAN underneath as I understand it.
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I guess it is a type that was not bought by the Bundeswehr. MAN constantly improved on the desing for export and civilian sales.
 
 
Interesting project for a HMMWV truck. Makes it look like a UNIMOG or GAZ-66. I guess in the end they just went with the HMMWV with the higher load capacity?

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