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#61 bojan

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Posted 03 January 2014 - 0340 AM

 

Yeah, the Israelis had a boatload of T...62s?  regunned with M68/L7 105s and re-engined with teledyne diesels.  Did they keep those for own use or sell them after re-manufacturing?

 

They converted T-54 and T-55s with 105mm, but T-62s kept 115mm as those were judged to be actually better performing then L7, so no conversion was needed. Another factor was that T-62s were actually only available in larger quantities after 1982 (there were less then 100 in use IIRC before 1982) when there was much less need to use captured tanks.


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#62 alejandro_

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Posted 03 January 2014 - 0707 AM

They converted T-54 and T-55s with 105mm, but T-62s kept 115mm as those were judged to be actually better performing then L7, so no conversion was needed. Another factor was that T-62s were actually only available in larger quantities after 1982 (there were less then 100 in use IIRC before 1982) when there was much less need to use captured tanks.

 

Actually, it was suggested to change 115mm to 105mm due to limited amount of captured ammunition, only 3700. A total of 132 T-62 were captured, 79 of them being serviceable.


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Posted 03 January 2014 - 0952 AM

 

Finnish VK

 

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Why did you have to dig up pic find this worthless POS...


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#64 Max H

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Posted 03 January 2014 - 1004 AM

I still wonder how two crew on that elevating MG carrier were supposed to fit in that mechanism and be remotely comfortable...

 

Considering they only had a narrow slit to see out of and carriers aren't very stable at the best of times, I would imagine trying to see where they were going would be a more pressing concern


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#65 jmcmtank

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Posted 03 January 2014 - 1113 AM

French ELC

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#66 swerve

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Posted 03 January 2014 - 1212 PM

 

Finnish VK

 

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Why did you have to dig up pic find this worthless POS...

It doesn't look particularly weird or wonderful, so I looked it up, & found that it's oddness is as you say. I agree, it doesn't really fit.


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#67 mnm

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Posted 03 January 2014 - 1308 PM

 

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Wow! An ArchaeoStuGosaurus !!!


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#68 TOW-2

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Posted 03 January 2014 - 1450 PM

 

 

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Wow! An ArchaeoStuGosaurus !!!

 

 

I see a tire up there so I dub that a WHEELED DEATHTRAP.  ;)


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#69 TOW-2

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Posted 03 January 2014 - 1451 PM

French ELC

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What the heck?  I thought this was the ELC:

http://www.chars-fra...d=714&Itemid=36


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#70 TOW-2

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Posted 03 January 2014 - 1454 PM



 


They converted T-54 and T-55s with 105mm, but T-62s kept 115mm as those were judged to be actually better performing then L7, so no conversion was needed. Another factor was that T-62s were actually only available in larger quantities after 1982 (there were less then 100 in use IIRC before 1982) when there was much less need to use captured tanks.

 

Actually, it was suggested to change 115mm to 105mm due to limited amount of captured ammunition, only 3700. A total of 132 T-62 were captured, 79 of them being serviceable.

 

 

I'll see if I can find the data in the various books I have 'round here that discusses the re-arming.  I know some did get the M68/L7 re-arming, but which ones I don't recall...I've got a couple of books to refer to, and I'll see what I can find.


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#71 Marek Tucan

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Posted 03 January 2014 - 1455 PM

There were several competing designs in the ELC competition (6 ton light tank).

 

http://www.chars-fra...d=713&Itemid=36


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#72 Shortround6

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Posted 03 January 2014 - 1541 PM

Early prototype of the honeybooboo;

 

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Really scary;

 

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Can't find that 'just right' sci-fi prop?

 

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#73 Shortround6

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Posted 03 January 2014 - 1611 PM

More early "stuff"

 

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Early Vickers carrier? 

 

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Just in case your normal tank is too heavy

 

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#74 shootER5

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Posted 03 January 2014 - 1653 PM

More early "stuff"

 

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Ford-Light-Tank-with-two-brave-soldiers-

 


 

 

 

 

 

Appears to be the Ford 3-ton tank.


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#75 Dave Clark

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Posted 03 January 2014 - 1816 PM

 

 

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Wow! An ArchaeoStuGosaurus !!!

 

 

The Austrian pre-war ADMK. After several iterations became the Saurer RK-7, which was taken over by the Wehrmacht after Anschluss as the Sd. Kfz 254. They saw service in North Africa, the Balkans and the Soviet Union. All 129 produced were lost in action.

 

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#76 DougRichards

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Posted 03 January 2014 - 1836 PM

Check out this collection: some obviously fictional (I hope!)

 

http://www.oobject.c...mored-vehicles/


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#77 Marek Tucan

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Posted 03 January 2014 - 1844 PM

Well only one is really bogus, all other crazy things are "real" (at least in the sense of article/model).


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#78 Walter_Sobchak

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Posted 03 January 2014 - 2230 PM

 

The Israelis are good for weird & wonderful because they don't like to throw anything away. Instead, they convert it. Hence all the Sherman-based SPGs & SP mortars, & the Centurions, captured T-55s etc. rebuilt into anything & everything. "It's a chassis. Put something on it."

 

The Germans in WW2 were much the same with all their captured Czech & French tanks (& the hulls still coming out of the factories).

 

Yeah, the Israelis had a boatload of T...62s?  regunned with M68/L7 105s and re-engined with teledyne diesels.  Did they keep those for own use or sell them after re-manufacturing?

 

I don't think they put Teledyne AVDS-1790s into any of the Tiran 5 (captured T54/55) or Tiran 6 (captured T62).  The 1790 won't fit inside one unless the hull is extensively modified.  Check out the Egyptian Ramses 2 if you want to see what is required to shoehorn a 1790 into a soviet tank.  They regunned the Tiran 5 with the L7 105mm gun but they left the soviet 115mm gun in the Tiran 6.  The other main modification of these vehicles was to put a bunch of stowage boxes on the turret to make them look more "Israeli" and less "Soviet" so as to avoid friendly fire incidents. 


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Posted 04 January 2014 - 0246 AM

 

 

The Israelis are good for weird & wonderful because they don't like to throw anything away. Instead, they convert it. Hence all the Sherman-based SPGs & SP mortars, & the Centurions, captured T-55s etc. rebuilt into anything & everything. "It's a chassis. Put something on it."

 

The Germans in WW2 were much the same with all their captured Czech & French tanks (& the hulls still coming out of the factories).

 

Yeah, the Israelis had a boatload of T...62s?  regunned with M68/L7 105s and re-engined with teledyne diesels.  Did they keep those for own use or sell them after re-manufacturing?

 

I don't think they put Teledyne AVDS-1790s into any of the Tiran 5 (captured T54/55) or Tiran 6 (captured T62).  The 1790 won't fit inside one unless the hull is extensively modified.  Check out the Egyptian Ramses 2 if you want to see what is required to shoehorn a 1790 into a soviet tank.  They regunned the Tiran 5 with the L7 105mm gun but they left the soviet 115mm gun in the Tiran 6.  The other main modification of these vehicles was to put a bunch of stowage boxes on the turret to make them look more "Israeli" and less "Soviet" so as to avoid friendly fire incidents. 

 

Okay; as quick as I can dig them out this weekend I'll gather up my books and see what they say.  I must be crossing my wires on what engines went where and which guns and so forth.  Thanks for setting me on the right track (ugg terrible pun, sorry :) )


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#80 chino

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Posted 04 January 2014 - 0342 AM

 

Finnish VK

 

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Why did you have to dig up pic find this worthless POS...

 

It's kinda cute. Reminds me of this: :)

 

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