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#5041 DB

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Posted 13 June 2019 - 1605 PM

if Boris wins, it's the perfect argument for a general election if the ruling party has a leadership change.

 

I mean, who or what could be worse than Boris?

 

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Posted 13 June 2019 - 1620 PM

if Boris wins, it's the perfect argument for a general election if the ruling party has a leadership change.

 

I mean, who or what could be worse than Boris?

 

:wacko:

 

question is how this is going to go. either the french way, that is all against BoJo band toghether and vote for one candidate (like in french presidential elections, all vote against the candidate named LePen in the second round) or are they still going to splinter the votes. Which leaves Johnson.

 

 

I personally think rory Stewart an interesting candidate, because i have watched a few interviews with him, and he was surprisingly sensible for a politican. And knew what was wrong with most of development of the third world politics. or what he says about taxes:

 

 Criticises other candidates for offering "cheap electoral bribes" to win support. - Says rather than being "straight" with people, his opponents have pledged "eye-watering" tax cuts worth £84bn.
 

 

 

 

 

https://www.bbc.co.u...litics-48624579

 

at the bottom the BBC has collected the candidates' positions.


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#5043 Chris Werb

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Posted 13 June 2019 - 1702 PM

I hope your mum's pneumonia clears up soon. Take care, Stuart.
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#5044 Panzermann

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Posted 13 June 2019 - 1756 PM

if you want to check the odds: https://www.oddschec...ervative-leader


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#5045 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 14 June 2019 - 0209 AM

 

 

Ive actually been going into hospital all week, my mother came down with something that gave her acute Pneumonia. I seem to have just got something similar myself, im not sure whether its flu or just a virus, but lets hope I avoid the same result.

 

Oh, and thank you for your concern.

Get some rest and hopefully your mum beats the Pneumonia quickly. 

 

 

+1 :)

 

Get well soon. Flu really fucks with thinking and all the best for your mother. I hope she makes it. A pneuonia is not easy especially at high age.

 

 

 

 

 

Johnson has learned from Trump and he will get a deal that is beautiful.

 

It will be a yuuuge deal. And save the NHS.

 

 

She is doing well as best I can tell. She is home and the only major problem is insomnia. Its not easy to give up a smoking habit thats lasted over 50 years.

 

As for myself, well I seem to lack Pneumonia, though im coughing up enough fluid to sink a battleship. Fingers crossed. Thanks for the kind thoughts Mr P.


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Posted 14 June 2019 - 0210 AM

I hope your mum's pneumonia clears up soon. Take care, Stuart.

 

Cheers Mate.


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Posted 14 June 2019 - 0221 AM

 

First vote of the Conservative leadership campaign has just revealed its results. Boris got 100, the nearest was something like 40 votes. There will be a run off, but at present it looks like an unassailable lead.

 

Rory Stewart got 19 votes by contrast.

 

Out of a population of 66 million, maybe 40 million of which are eligible, we end up with Boris in charge. Good grief...

 

 

Any one on this site would be a better candidate than Boris. Yes, even the ones advocating nuking India and the middle east.

 

Yes, he is well educated. Yes, he know's everything there is to know about Ancient Rome. The real problem I have is seeing how such knowledge translates into a realistic Brexit strategy. Is he going to crucify Remainers down Whitehall? Poison Gove? Knife Rees Mogg on the Parliament steps? Marry a Horse? He would have learned more watching the boxed set of Yes Minister and Game of Thrones I warrant.

 

 

 

DB, I would normally agree, but to show how screwed up things are, im hoping there wont be another election because Im afraid of a Labour PM. How the world has completely turned on its head.

 

 

https://www.independ...r-a8956566.html

MPs may have run out of possibilities to block a future prime minister pursuing a no-deal Brexit, a senior Tory has warned after an attempt to wrestle control of parliamentary business from the government was defeated.

The remarks came as Conservative leadership contenders continued to insist they are willing to leave the European Union without a deal – despite a leaked document saying the UK will not be prepared for a no-deal exit by 31 October.

Speaking after the Labour and cross-party motion was rejected 309 to 298 votes, Sir Oliver Letwin claimed there may be no more opportunities for parliament to intervene to constrain Theresa May’s successor.

“Under the Article 50 process, on 31 October the UK leaves the EU regardless of whether we do or don’t have a deal in place, unless somebody does something to alter that,” he told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme.

He continued: ”If the government doesn’t bring something before parliament, parliament won’t have a chance to take a view on that as things currently stand because we have run out of all the possibilities any of us can, at the moment anyway, think of for parliament to be able to insist on having a view.

“I have really struggled very hard to think of every available opportunity and I can’t currently think of any more.”


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Posted 14 June 2019 - 1939 PM

As for myself, well I seem to lack Pneumonia, though im coughing up enough fluid to sink a battleship. Fingers crossed. Thanks for the kind thoughts Mr P.


Haven't had any weird liquids on your door knobs have ya?  :ph34r:


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Posted 17 June 2019 - 2101 PM

if Boris wins, it's the perfect argument for a general election if the ruling party has a leadership change.

 

I mean, who or what could be worse than Boris?

 

:wacko:

 

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Posted 18 June 2019 - 0234 AM

Nah, I like Sadiq. He annoys Donald Trump and Ryan, whats not to love? :)

 

There is an interesting discussion on whether Rory Stewart is the right man for the job.

https://www.cityam.c...through-brexit/

Would Rory Stewart be a good Prime Minister to lead the UK through Brexit?

Olivia Utley, deputy editor at TheArticle, says YES. To make a success of Brexit at this late stage in the game, our new Prime Minister will have to do more than negotiate a good deal with the EU. He must – and this is the even tougher part of the challenge – provide a vision to unite and excite our bitterly divided country. Rory Stewart – a politician who speaks not of the pros and cons of throwing milkshakes, but the importance of love and listening – is the man for the job. His intelligence, charisma and confidence would, of course, go down a treat in any negotiating room, but as his sterling performance in the first TV debate on Sunday made clear, he also has the potential to become a figure around whom Brits can rally.

 

Most importantly, his fantastic social media campaign shows that he is capable not only of talking, but of listening too. And at a time when many feel that democracy itself is under threat, a listening Prime Minister is precisely what we need.

 

Alex Deane, a Conservative commentator, says NO. Trust Rory Stewart to take us through Brexit? We’d likely end up not leaving – which, as his campaign seems to hint, is sort of his aim anyway. Never mind democracy: it all seems a bit difficult, so let’s jack it in. What a view. The slavish and uniform feting of Stewart by our media class is unsurprising, as he lobs the bombs they want lobbed. He’s so in tune with our bien-pensant Remainiac establishment (politicians who won’t deliver on what we voted for, the BBC, The Guardian, oddballs who fund lawsuits against politicians) that he’s exempt from scrutiny for high office. He’s catnip to the anti-Tories, guaranteed airtime as he trashes the party brand. But if, having asked the crocodile to eat him last, he succeeded in aiding and abetting the killing off of real Tories, the lefty media would turn on him – for his appeal is to people who praise “centrism” but vote for the left. And nobody prefers the ersatz to the real.

 

 

The criticism to me points to a basic problem in the Conservative party, and of late also true in Labour. And that is, there is a fear of people whom are actually quite good at their jobs. Everything Rory Stewart did was gold. Even utterly thankless and unremarked tasks in Iraq (he was In CIMIC house in Al Amarah at some point I think, which was like Fort Apache) and Afghanistan (where he was nearly shot by a local Afghan for a bet. They laughed about it later). He even seemed to make a success of the international development desk, and also as Prison Minister. Both unthanked roles.

 

  Whereas everything Boris Johnson has touched, outside writing books where I understand he has talent, has been crap. He made no apparent improvements to London as Mayor, and the majority of the preparation for the olympics took place under Ken Livingston's watch. He achieved nothing in his tenure of the Foreign office other than helping to extend Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe sentence. He made no contribution to the Brexit process at all,  perhaps other than his resignation.

 

 

There is an unhealthy current in British politics (maybe all politics?) where competence comes secondary to political reliability. It must stop, or we are all going to hell in a handcart.


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Posted 18 June 2019 - 0831 AM

Conservatives round on Rory Stewart, amidst claims he was a former MI6 Spy.

https://www.msn.com/...Ml?ocid=UE13DHP

 

So he is a former Guardsman, specializes in rebuilding broken countries, knows how to negotiate, AND happens to be a former James Bond? What are they still debating? :blink:


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Posted 18 June 2019 - 0853 AM

Conservatives round on Rory Stewart, amidst claims he was a former MI6 Spy.

https://www.msn.com/...Ml?ocid=UE13DHP

 

So he is a former Guardsman, specializes in rebuilding broken countries, knows how to negotiate, AND happens to be a former James Bond? What are they still debating? :blink:

 

Have seen some interviews and a presentation by him about building up countries. That guy is too sensible I am afraid. :(


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#5053 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 18 June 2019 - 0900 AM

Yeah, thats our conclusion too. He is clearly the best qualified for the job. In the present environment, thats as good as a death sentence.

 

Still, sometimes happy mistakes happen....


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Posted 19 June 2019 - 1217 PM

Well Rory Stewart is out. Despite topping the poll in best in the debate for the public, interestingly.

Tories deserve everything they are going to get.
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Posted 19 June 2019 - 1248 PM

Well Rory Stewart is out. Despite topping the poll in best in the debate for the public, interestingly.

Tories deserve everything they are going to get.

 

The PM is chosen by the Tories' internal politics, which has nothing to do with what the general populace thinks, or the country needs. No surprise there. All political parties function this same way. Hence the selection of those most fitting the party, not the office to fill most of the time. 


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Posted 19 June 2019 - 1528 PM

Everyone pretty much thinks Boris is going to win, so even the other candidates are now positioning themselves as friends of Boris.

 

By the time a Tory government gets back in (after this one collapses and people get tired of 1970s Socialism), Rory will properly have a country to rebuild.

 

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Posted 19 June 2019 - 1623 PM

If the choice is going to be between Red Jeremy and Boris the Buffoon, there's a massive opportunity at the moment for a competent centrist party to step up to the plate.


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Posted 20 June 2019 - 0206 AM

 

Well Rory Stewart is out. Despite topping the poll in best in the debate for the public, interestingly.

Tories deserve everything they are going to get.

 

The PM is chosen by the Tories' internal politics, which has nothing to do with what the general populace thinks, or the country needs. No surprise there. All political parties function this same way. Hence the selection of those most fitting the party, not the office to fill most of the time. 

 

 

Its not QUITE that simple. Whilst you are right, the choice is doing to the internal Tory machine, there was a historic trend of also picking people that would win elections. Bojo seems to be popular with a certain kind of tory. But its not a certain kind of Tory they need to vote for them. Its the wider public, and from recent polls and long term interviews with them, the public absolutely cannot stand him, particularly after he lied to them in a big red bus. The Conservative party rank and file are not fond of him either, largely because he was the man at the tiller that put the HMS Conservative on Brexit rock.

 

So they have voted for him in the expectation that he will Brexit success (despite having no more plan than Theresa May) and that he will defeat Jeremy Corbyn at the polls, when I think Boris Johnson is possibly the ONLY Conservative candidate Jeremy Corbyn has a chance of beating.

 

Yes, the centrists might step up. For all the foaming at the mouth about the Brexit party, they failed to achieve even a small success in a by election, despite throwing every parliamentary resource at it. The British political system (thankfully) is also not kind to startups, which if its Change Uk is regrettable, if its the Brexit party, you get down on your knees and thank God for it. Like UKIP, I believe its probably already shot its bolt.

 

So the party of decision at the next election (which I think will probably come sometime in the new year after Brexit) is going to be the Liberals. They look more solid than they did from the Euro elections, but whether that is strong enough to keep off the Corbinista's and the 4th Reich at bay, well we shall see I guess.

 

Here is the dynamic as I see it, and apologies for the gross cynicism but after the month ive had you cant really wonder at it. Bojo wins. He cant find his ass with both hands. We leave without a deal, or he tries to, parliament fights him, Macron loses patience and has us thrown out without a deal anyway, the economy collapses, there is a run on the pound, exports pile up, there is an election at some point, Jezza wins, he cant  do a damn thing because he has a split party and has the leadership capablities of a squashed hedgehog, his government at length collapses, and then there will be a sudden run on right wing parties as the final solution as people look in desperation for politicians that arent politicians and self centred pricks.

 

Not much of a prediction. Not a wholly dissimilar timetable of despair as was laid out in that rather distopian (and at length, inspiring) BBC drama 'years and years'. Its just one of those things we shall have to go through I suppose.


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Posted 20 June 2019 - 0924 AM

that put the HMS Conservative on Brexit rock.

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Nice way to put it. :)

 

 

So the party of decision at the next election (which I think will probably come sometime in the new year after Brexit) is going to be the Liberals. They look more solid than they did from the Euro elections, but whether that is strong enough to keep off the Corbinista's and the 4th Reich at bay, well we shall see I guess.

 

Here is the dynamic as I see it, and apologies for the gross cynicism but after the month ive had you cant really wonder at it. Bojo wins. He cant find his ass with both hands. We leave without a deal, or he tries to, parliament fights him, Macron loses patience and has us thrown out without a deal anyway, the economy collapses, there is a run on the pound, exports pile up, there is an election at some point, Jezza wins, he cant  do a damn thing because he has a split party and has the leadership capablities of a squashed hedgehog, his government at length collapses, and then there will be a sudden run on right wing parties as the final solution as people look in desperation for politicians that arent politicians and self centred pricks.

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Yes, it very probabaly is going to play out similarly to this. Though the BRitish Liberaldemocrats are a bit of an empty sheet for me. From this side of the channel they always came across as an alternative choice for those wanting to poke the Tories, but not vote Labour. Otherwise rather bland and pale.


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Posted 20 June 2019 - 0933 AM

Middle of the road, deserted by their voters because their involvement in the Cameron coalition didn't yield everything they wanted.

As a result, he got a second bite without them as a balance and the rest is a botched referendum and here we are.

A huge number of remainers were LD voters in 2010 who abandoned them in 2015 because they didn't get university tuition fees removed. Think about that for a moment, it's all very butterfly thunderstorm-ish.
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