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Posted 10 June 2019 - 1902 PM

It is a perfect example of the ignorance by which the apparatus maintains control.
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Posted 11 June 2019 - 0300 AM

A soundbite for all seasons.

 

 

https://www.thesun.c...-cop-sick-days/

COPS on the force which probed the Salisbury Novichok poisonings have been going off sick in high numbers.

They took an average 13.8 days per year in the 12 months after Russian double agent Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia were targeted with the deadly nerve toxin.

 

The average number of sick days per year in the UK was just 4.1 in 2017.

Now the Wiltshire force is looking for the reasons behind the spike in sick days — and whether the roots are psychological.

Police and Crime Commissioner Angus Macpherson said the “longer term consequences of the exceptional year in Salisbury” would be probed.

The Skripals survived the poisoning, blamed on Russian agents, but locals Charlie Rowley and Dawn Sturgess were accidentally poisoned and Miss Sturgess, 44, died.

 

Commissioner Macpherson said: "Staff sickness has been increasing and we have commissioned an investigation.

"We want to triangulate the longer term consequences of the exceptional year in Salisbury and find out how the longer term stress relates to the amount of over time, number of hours worked and pressure brought on them and their families.

"Action plans are developed, a joint staff wellbeing strategy and last week a welfare wagon went to all sites so every member of staff can talk about welfare and get a health check."


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Posted 11 June 2019 - 1228 PM

 

How long did it take for Stalin to kill Trotsky?

 

 

Your analogies indicate you are not familiar with Russian\Soviet history. Trotsky was figure at least as important as Stalin himself, if not more important . It was battle of giants. Most famous Georgian of all times, Stalin, taking upper hand in this battle against, i think, third most famous Jew of times after Christ and Einstein,  was mere luck  for West (as USSR ruled by Trotsky would be way more effective in promoting global Communist movement).
    Comparing Skripal, retired WoT player, to Trotsky is insane.

 

What is insane is Putin himself. Or at least he is headed in that direction from pressures of his job just like Nixon was. 

It must be remembered that Putin is first and foremost KGB who by mentality and training believes that all betrayals must eventually be punished. I  have watched almost countless short documentarys about KGB and GRU agents who defected. In every episode Soviet officials described every defector as traitor who deserves execution. Old habits die hard.

https://rus.delfi.lv...m.d?id=49843319

 

At  some point in time Putin decides it is time to get true revenge. He sends in hit team equipped with cell phone tracker/jammer/hacking device and disguised containers of chemical agent. The assassins go to Skripal house first to apply compound to the door knob a a "fail safe" backup. That way if Skripal cannot be found he will be killed by grabbing the door handle. After that assassins hack Skripal's cell phones to track their location. But Skripals are moving around the town too fast for those men to catch up to them for several hours. Finally Skripals become exhausted from all that food beer and moving and decide to rest on a park bench. Hit men now have perfect opening to make their attack. Skripals are sitting still and  assassins wait a short time till the thin crowd seems to be looking in other directions. Assassins then spray the two while walking right past them without attracting any attention at all. Final act was to toss near empty bottle into a rubbish bin where that homeless couple came into contact later.


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Posted 11 June 2019 - 1444 PM

What is insane is Putin himself. Or at least he is headed in that direction from pressures of his job just like Nixon was. 

 

It must be remembered that Putin is first and foremost KGB who by mentality and training believes that all betrayals must eventually be punished. I  have watched almost countless short documentarys about KGB and GRU agents who defected. In every episode Soviet officials described every defector as traitor who deserves execution. Old habits die hard.

My congratulations on providing another example of Western crazy theories about "KGB" people.  In reality they are quite regular  people.  Yes the most gifted students were selected and invited to join KGB (but nobody was forced to join, as well as nobody was able to apply for job in KGB himself  - only by invitation). Yes they were specially trained to be able to convince people in different ways, mostly by promising them something they want (as working with people is main job of any intelligence, except may be modern US ones who are believed to  increasingly rely on signal\satellite\big data followed by hit teams of former SEALS to drug suspect to torture) - but this kind of training made them even more cynical than average Soviet citizen of 1980th, not surprising they mostly were among first to embrace freedom to loot own country instead of "protecting the state" as they were paid for (as they were of no illusions of both capitalism and socialism, able to use disadvantages of both systems for own profit). Skripal himself is perfect example of this type of men - his only ideology was money. Putin, who rushed from KGB to carry bags for leading "democratic" politician of late 1980th-early 1990th, is another example of this opportunism. If you believe Putin is kind of high priest of revenge for traitors - i got bridge for sale for you.  On average, "KGB trained" person attitude to traitors is most likely softer than of average Russian citizen (as for them person changing sides is result of technological process of convincing him into it the same way as they are trained to, not some kind of unprovoked crime). Yes Putin have to pretend he hate traitors as Russian public demand it, but in reality his Gov is full of de-facto Western agents and he is ok with that, at least until second citizenship or foreign property of this or that person surface too much to public view.


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Posted 11 June 2019 - 1525 PM

the roots are psychological

 

The roots of 9/11 disability fraud among those police officers and firefighters who linked fake psychiatric problems to the towers coming down are somewhat less clinical. My respect to Britannia if standards there are higher.


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Posted 11 June 2019 - 1525 PM

 


 

At  some point in time Putin decides it is time to get true revenge. He sends in hit team equipped with cell phone tracker/jammer/hacking device and disguised containers of chemical agent. The assassins go to Skripal house first to apply compound to the door knob a a "fail safe" backup. That way if Skripal cannot be found he will be killed by grabbing the door handle. After that assassins hack Skripal's cell phones to track their location. But Skripals are moving around the town too fast for those men to catch up to them for several hours. Finally Skripals become exhausted from all that food beer and moving and decide to rest on a park bench. Hit men now have perfect opening to make their attack. Skripals are sitting still and  assassins wait a short time till the thin crowd seems to be looking in other directions. Assassins then spray the two while walking right past them without attracting any attention at all. Final act was to toss near empty bottle into a rubbish bin where that homeless couple came into contact later.

 

First of all, let me remind you your version is going against official UK version, claimed to be result of scrupulous, long and very expensive investigation. By raising it you agree that this official version is not plausible enough.
Now, to details:
" At  some point in time Putin decides it is time to get true revenge." - So the guy making his sentence in Russian prison was not the time for it?
" He sends in hit team equipped with cell phone tracker/jammer/hacking device" - How many bags is this cell phone tracker/jammer/hacking device? Was this device detected by UK customs? (let me remind you all luggage is screened, images stored - so even if person watching the screen missed something, it is possible to check images later)? Was effects of this magic device operations detected by UK special services or network operators? As far as i know, the only people reported to play games with cell phones were Skripals themselves.
" The assassins go to Skripal house first to apply compound to the door knob a a "fail safe" backup." - What was the need of this magic device you mentioned above just to reach "door knob"? Why not to go home after completing "fail safe" backup? What is the need for other actions? How this agents were expected to catch up with targets moving by car while operating on foot, not even running around the city but pretending to be tourists?
"But Skripals are moving around the town too fast for those men to catch up to them for several hours." - what a surprise, who might have expected the difficulty of following on foot somebody traveling by car. Probably you believe "KGB trained" people are not only "by mentality and training" hate traitors, but are fools to that extent?
"Finally Skripals become exhausted from all that food beer and moving and decide to rest on a park bench" - by official UK version, by that time they are deadly poisoned for several hours after contacting door knob.
"Hit men now have perfect opening to make their attack." - after hours of running around the city while staying clear of CCTVs:) Note UK failed to provide any evidence of any "hit team" following Skripals that day or any other day.
"Skripals are sitting still and  assassins wait a short time till the thin crowd seems to be looking in other directions" - have somebody seen them sitting on park bench? Were members of this "thin crowd" located and interviewed by UK special services? 
" Assassins then spray the two while walking right past them without attracting any attention at all." - are they wearing NBC suits while doing it? Let me remind you UK claimed Skripals were attacked by next to most lethal substance in our world, but newer indicated it was inhalated - but claim it was skin contact.
" Final act was to toss near empty bottle into a rubbish bin where that homeless couple came into contact later." - not forgetting to factory wrap it to make it look good enough to be gift for girlfriend, and making sure this "trash bin" to stay untouched for month  or more (as this "later" was in fact much later


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Posted 12 June 2019 - 0213 AM

the roots are psychological

 

The roots of 9/11 disability fraud among those police officers and firefighters who linked fake psychiatric problems to the towers coming down are somewhat less clinical. My respect to Britannia if standards there are higher.

 

I dont think we have seen the psychological results of prolonged expose to a Chemical Environment since the Western Front in 1918. And there, a lot of the symptom's may have been masked in wider issues like Shellshock, or PTSD as we know it to be now.

 

I can imagine the stress of operating in such an environment for a prolonged period of time would have an effect on morale, perhaps even on personal well-being. It would be interesting to compare with the results of police operating in Japan in the Tokyo Subway Sarin attack.

 

Of course, if you are of a mind to think it, its just one more example of the British Government jigging the information battlefield to make Russia look bad. Of course.

 

Incidentally there is no 'Official UK Version'. There is just reality and fantasy, and thats all.


Edited by Stuart Galbraith, 12 June 2019 - 0215 AM.

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Posted 12 June 2019 - 1039 AM

 

 

First of all, let me remind you your version is going against official UK version

I pay little if any attention to official versions of almost anything from government. At this point in life I have enough education and experience to piece together enough information to draw my own timelines and conclusions. 

 

A cellphone hacking/tracking/jamming device is not magic. It is just ....hold on..... a cellphone with special software available to virtually every national intel org on the planet.

 

Because almost everything you wrote is based upon "official version" I feel no reason to respond any more.


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Posted 07 July 2019 - 1251 PM

Graham Philips walking the streets of Salisbery

 


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Posted 09 July 2019 - 0450 AM

 
 
Novichok victim was saved by anti-nerve agent drug never before used in UK

An anti-nerve agent drug never before used on a patient in the UK was administered to one of the Novichok victims to save his life, according to a top official in the emergency services.

Charlie Rowley, 45, was exposed to the same noxious substance used to attack ex-spy Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia in Salisbury in March last year.

Mr Rowley and Dawn Sturgess, 44, fell ill in Amesbury months later after coming into contact with a perfume bottle believed to have been used in the Novichok poisonings. Ms Sturgess died in July last year.

Wayne Darch, the head of emergency preparedness, resilience and response at South Western Ambulance Service NHS Foundation Trust (SWASFT), has revealed that Mr Rowley was given an anti-nerve agent which paramedics began to carry in response to the terrorist threat.

In an interview with The Guardian, the official said his team “did a fantastic job under difficult circumstances and undoubtedly saved Charlie’s life”.

He explained that the first call following the collapse of Ms Sturgess was received at 10.15am on 30 June.

Mr Darch said that there was nothing to make those responding think it was another poisoning, but when a second call was logged for the same address at 6.20pm it was highlighted to the local commander who had helped the Skripals and went to Mr Rowley’s property.

“It’s unusual that we would get called to the same address on the same day for two separate patients,” he told the newspaper.

“The crew that attended Charlie took a particular course of treatment. When that wasn’t effective, they suspected that it may be nerve agent.”

Without confirmation that he had come into contact with Novichok or another nerve agent, the paramedics put on protective suits, face masks, aprons and gloves, and treated Mr Rowley as if he had.

Previously unaware he had been given the anti-nerve antidote, in response to the revelation Mr Rowley said he is “very grateful” to the emergency services. He added: “I have to take my hat off to everyone who helped us.”

 

 

There is also a report here that Ambulance crews have been suffering from possible after effects of low level poisoning, including eye problems and headaches.

https://www.telegrap...ent-drug-never/


Edited by Stuart Galbraith, 09 July 2019 - 0452 AM.

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Posted 10 July 2019 - 0459 AM

Graham Philips walking the streets of Salisbery

NIce film, Wrong house unless they have completely reroofed the house and changed the heating system. Oh look they did!

 

Sergei-Skripal-home-784697.jpg

You will remember that we had a long discussion on heating and pipework on this house.

 

At 1:18 where have those vent pipes gone?

 

Skripal-Door-1.jpg

 

Normal reporting standard of Philips I'm surprised he dose not work for the Sun.


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Posted 10 July 2019 - 0509 AM

Yeah, its the same house. But it seems about the only thing left of the original is the walls. They completely removed the roof and the guttering by the look of it. I imagine all the wood in the rafters went.

 

Tidy job they made of it actually. Im not quite sure what the story is here though, we know they decontaminated it. The restaurant in Salisbury, far closer to a greater mass of the public, is also open again. Thats what decontamination can do for you.


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Posted 10 July 2019 - 1034 AM

https://uk.news.yaho...L09Rie7Xd8HmiWt

 

A high-ranking Russian military intelligence service officer commanded the team suspected of carrying out the Salisbury Novichok attack, new evidence reportedly suggests.

Investigative website Bellingcat previously named Denis Sergeev, who used the alias Sergei Fedotov, as a 45-year-old member of the GRU who arrived in Britain on the same day as the two suspected attackers, 48 hours before the poisoning which happened on March 4 2018.

New information suggests he took on a “supervising, coordinating role” in the attack, the website said following investigations alongside the BBC.

Sources told the BBC’s Newsnight programme that Sergeev holds the rank of major general in the Russian military intelligence service.

Bellingcat said that places him above the two men it has identified as colonels Alexander Mishkin and Anatoly Chepiga – also known as Alexander Petrov and Ruslan Boshirov – who are suspected of carrying out the attack.

 

“This… along with the objective telephone records from his trip to London, validates our assumption that he was involved in the Skripal operation in a supervising, coordinating role,” Bellingcat said.

The BBC and Bellingcat said billing records showed Sergeev used secure messaging apps such as WhatsApp during his visit to the UK, suggesting it may have been the way he communicated with Mishkin and Chepiga.

Position data from his phone and police information on the other suspects also shows a 30 to 40-minute window when the trio may have met near Waterloo Station the day before the poisoning, they said.

Sergeev is also reported to have only spoken to a single telephone number during his stay, a Russian “ghost mobile”, believed to be his connection to GRU headquarters.

The BBC said: “The pattern of his communications while in the UK indicates that Maj Gen Sergeev liaised with officers in Moscow. Independently, sources speaking to Newsnight have pointed to Maj Gen Sergeev being the operational commander.”

A spokeswoman for the Metropolitan Police said she could not discuss further details of an ongoing investigation.

“The investigation team continues to pursue a number of lines of inquiry, including identifying any other suspects who may have been involved in carrying out or planning the attack,” she added.


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Posted 10 July 2019 - 1336 PM

Could you please explain me how it is possible to be in " supervising, coordinating role" without being at the scene of the events and, if you claim it is possible, what is the need to go to UK to do WhatsUp typing? Can't it be done from any corner of our planet, or via account not linked to personal phone?

 

The BBC and Bellingcat said billing records showed Sergeev used secure messaging apps such as WhatsApp during his visit to the UK, suggesting it may have been the way he communicated with Mishkin and Chepiga.

What an evidence! It is so uncommon to use WhatsUp.....

 

 


Position data from his phone and police information on the other suspects also shows a 30 to 40-minute window when the trio may have met near Waterloo Station the day before the poisoning, they said.

Or may have not met...

 

 

 

Sergeev is also reported to have only spoken to a single telephone number during his stay, a Russian “ghost mobile”, believed to be his connection to GRU headquarters.
 

GRU headquarters can't use WhatsUp? :)


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Posted 10 July 2019 - 1345 PM

 

He explained that the first call following the collapse of Ms Sturgess was received at 10.15am on 30 June.

Mr Darch said that there was nothing to make those responding think it was another poisoning, but when a second call was logged for the same address at 6.20pm it was highlighted to the local commander who had helped the Skripals and went to Mr Rowley’s property.

“It’s unusual that we would get called to the same address on the same day for two separate patients,” he told the newspaper.

Does it mean that the person who poured "the most lethal poison on the planet" on his hands, washed it away with water and than gave bottle of it to his girlfriend who sprayed it on herself, only suffered from effect of it about 7 hours later, while staying in the same house poison was sprayed? How it is possible?


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Posted 11 July 2019 - 0725 AM

 

 

He explained that the first call following the collapse of Ms Sturgess was received at 10.15am on 30 June.

Mr Darch said that there was nothing to make those responding think it was another poisoning, but when a second call was logged for the same address at 6.20pm it was highlighted to the local commander who had helped the Skripals and went to Mr Rowley’s property.

“It’s unusual that we would get called to the same address on the same day for two separate patients,” he told the newspaper.

Does it mean that the person who poured "the most lethal poison on the planet" on his hands, washed it away with water and than gave bottle of it to his girlfriend who sprayed it on herself, only suffered from effect of it about 7 hours later, while staying in the same house poison was sprayed? How it is possible?

 

 

Maybe they cut the dose down by thinning it out, (ie, X parts per million), to a tactically useable level.


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Posted 13 July 2019 - 0026 AM

 

 

 

He explained that the first call following the collapse of Ms Sturgess was received at 10.15am on 30 June.

Mr Darch said that there was nothing to make those responding think it was another poisoning, but when a second call was logged for the same address at 6.20pm it was highlighted to the local commander who had helped the Skripals and went to Mr Rowley’s property.

“It’s unusual that we would get called to the same address on the same day for two separate patients,” he told the newspaper.

Does it mean that the person who poured "the most lethal poison on the planet" on his hands, washed it away with water and than gave bottle of it to his girlfriend who sprayed it on herself, only suffered from effect of it about 7 hours later, while staying in the same house poison was sprayed? How it is possible?

 

 

Maybe they cut the dose down by thinning it out, (ie, X parts per million), to a tactically useable level.

 

Taking into account Skripals father&daughter, people of massively different age, bodyweight and other parameters, collapsed simultaneously hours after claimed touch of poisoned door knob (with doze they got different by definition) - so simultaneous no one of them was able to call for help to another one who felt sick first - how it is possible the same substance inflict so massively different effect on this couple of poor drug addicts?


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Posted 13 July 2019 - 0625 AM

Wrong thread


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