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#1 Dawes

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Posted 15 January 2019 - 1751 PM

I do like those desert camo uniforms - and the rifle is nice, too.

 

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#2 Simon Tan

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Posted 15 January 2019 - 2240 PM

Rail is garbage. Who needs a full length six oclock p-rail? You are not going to run lasers down there because of mass clearance. Then you have proprietary interface which means you gotsta buy HKrap to do direct attach. Prail then device is dumber than hell.

And that is pretty much the main 'improvement' over an A5. Like a shitty URGI.


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Posted 16 January 2019 - 0933 AM

Are they dragging the rifles on week-long patrols around the Yuma desert and firing off the whole ammo load at least twice?  THEN they'll be doing some testing.


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Posted 16 January 2019 - 1246 PM

Are they dragging the rifles on week-long patrols around the Yuma desert and firing off the whole ammo load at least twice?  THEN they'll be doing some testing.

 
No, but they dump them into the dirt, shoot lots of ammunition through them. htere is this photo of testing the H&K MG43 (later named MG4 by BWB) in Yuma from years ago:
 
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They seem to have settled on a long rail/tube/whateve system for the G95k. First photos showed a shorter tube anly reaching the gas block with a fold down sight pinned to the barrel. Or the quad rail cheese grater knwon from other HK416 variants.

Edited by Panzermann, 16 January 2019 - 1257 PM.

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Posted 16 January 2019 - 1314 PM

Those poor bastards.  Being stuck in Yuma in the summer is a fate worse than death.  :lol: :P


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#6 Simon Tan

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Posted 16 January 2019 - 1333 PM

HK has officially verbotened any non HKey rails. Which leaves US users in a jam and having to get aftermarket.
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Posted 16 January 2019 - 1418 PM

Pvt Snuffy (and his German kin) can find ways to break gear engineers couldn't come up with on a bad drug trip...
Forget mil-spec--give me Soldier-Proof!

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Posted 16 January 2019 - 1715 PM

Pvt Snuffy (and his German kin) can find ways to break gear engineers couldn't come up with on a bad drug trip...
Forget mil-spec--give me Soldier-Proof!

 

Give a soldier two rocks. One will be lost the other broken...


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#9 shep854

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Posted 16 January 2019 - 2048 PM

 

Pvt Snuffy (and his German kin) can find ways to break gear engineers couldn't come up with on a bad drug trip...
Forget mil-spec--give me Soldier-Proof!

 

Give a soldier two rocks. One will be lost the other broken...

 

And the rumors of broken anvils...


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Posted 17 January 2019 - 1128 AM

Give a sailor a cannonball and he will put a crease in it.
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Posted 18 January 2019 - 0509 AM

Didn't the German Army have this futuristic rifle that fired, IIRC, "caseless" ammo? Guess it didn't work.


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Posted 18 January 2019 - 0651 AM

Didn't the German Army have this futuristic rifle that fired, IIRC, "caseless" ammo? Guess it didn't work.

 

Yes the G11 was dropped before really having any introduced into service, when the wall fell. It was still not really mature and they were happy to cut it to save money. a few years later they bought the G36 as a cheap rifle for peacetime conscription army, hence all the corners cut like in the "scope".


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Posted 18 January 2019 - 0846 AM

 

Didn't the German Army have this futuristic rifle that fired, IIRC, "caseless" ammo? Guess it didn't work.

 

Yes the G11 was dropped before really having any introduced into service, when the wall fell. It was still not really mature and they were happy to cut it to save money. a few years later they bought the G36 as a cheap rifle for peacetime conscription army, hence all the corners cut like in the "scope".

 

So was the G11 NOT ready for prime-time, but politically driven and Reunification provided a good excuse to drop a loser?  It's interesting that no one has touched it since, despite the theoretical advantages of caseless ammo.


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Posted 18 January 2019 - 1032 AM

...So was the G11 NOT ready for prime-time, but politically H&K driven and Reunification provided a good excuse to drop a loser?...

 

With a correction I would put a 5$ on it. :)


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Posted 18 January 2019 - 1043 AM

So, will Germany select a new infantry rifle in 2019?


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Posted 19 January 2019 - 0458 AM

 

 

Didn't the German Army have this futuristic rifle that fired, IIRC, "caseless" ammo? Guess it didn't work.

 

Yes the G11 was dropped before really having any introduced into service, when the wall fell. It was still not really mature and they were happy to cut it to save money. a few years later they bought the G36 as a cheap rifle for peacetime conscription army, hence all the corners cut like in the "scope".

 

So was the G11 NOT ready for prime-time, but politically driven and Reunification provided a good excuse to drop a loser?  It's interesting that no one has touched it since, despite the theoretical advantages of caseless ammo.

 

 

Actually the planed production version did work reasonably well (the one with the 2 spare mags in the weapon), but with re-unification Germany not only had too many G3s for the shrinking army, but also tons of AKs with tons of ammunition. In addition the chances of other NATO partner adopting the G11 were zero due to the end of the cold war. And when the switch to multinational operations outside the actual NATO area started, the G36 offered to use the common 5.56 round and was cheap enough and capable enough for the conscript army of the time.


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Posted 19 January 2019 - 0556 AM

Hk 433.
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Posted 19 January 2019 - 0923 AM

 

 

 

Didn't the German Army have this futuristic rifle that fired, IIRC, "caseless" ammo? Guess it didn't work.

 

Yes the G11 was dropped before really having any introduced into service, when the wall fell. It was still not really mature and they were happy to cut it to save money. a few years later they bought the G36 as a cheap rifle for peacetime conscription army, hence all the corners cut like in the "scope".

 

So was the G11 NOT ready for prime-time, but politically driven and Reunification provided a good excuse to drop a loser?  It's interesting that no one has touched it since, despite the theoretical advantages of caseless ammo.

 

 

Actually the planed production version did work reasonably well (the one with the 2 spare mags in the weapon), but with re-unification Germany not only had too many G3s for the shrinking army, but also tons of AKs with tons of ammunition. In addition the chances of other NATO partner adopting the G11 were zero due to the end of the cold war. And when the switch to multinational operations outside the actual NATO area started, the G36 offered to use the common 5.56 round and was cheap enough and capable enough for the conscript army of the time.

 

Yet it is a dead-end.  Even the latest US tinkering utilizes cased cartridges in various forms.


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Posted 19 January 2019 - 0936 AM

Those poor bastards.  Being stuck in Yuma is a fate worse than death.  :lol: :P

 

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Posted 19 January 2019 - 0938 AM

Yuma is definitely full of senior citizens in the Winter.


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