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#2561 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 20 January 2020 - 0958 AM

Really great podcast on the lead up to the recent attacks in Iraq, including a theory ive not yet heard before. It started with Israeli Drone strikes in Iraq on Hezbollah militants, whom then started shooting at the Americans because they assumed they were responsible.

https://play.acast.c...bc-1a42225ed5d3


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#2562 KV7

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Posted 26 January 2020 - 1239 PM

Right, letting Israel go rogue at will is and always has been a bad idea.


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#2563 Mighty_Zuk

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Posted 26 January 2020 - 1533 PM

Right, letting Israel go rogue at will is and always has been a bad idea.


Literally everyone in the Syria-Iraq zone is "rogue", taking care of only their interests.
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#2564 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 27 January 2020 - 0655 AM

Yeah, I think that is a fair depiction of the situation.


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#2565 Der Zeitgeist

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Posted 11 March 2020 - 1528 PM

And here's the actual retaliation against the Soleimani hit.

 

Taji Airbase has been hit by a salvo of rockets, killing 2 US personnel and one from the UK , with about a dozen wounded.

 

https://twitter.com/...831760207130625

 

Just yesterday the US was starting to withdraw the 82nd Airborne from the region again.


Edited by Der Zeitgeist, 11 March 2020 - 1537 PM.

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#2566 JWB

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Posted 12 March 2020 - 2040 PM

U.S. launches strikes in Iraq against Iranian-backed militias after attack that killed coalition troops

 

The United States launched airstrikes in Iraq early Friday, responding to a rocket attack on a military base that killed one British and two U.S. service members.

The Pentagon said in a statement that the strikes targeted facilities “across Iraq” controlled by Kitaeb Hezbollah, a militia that U.S. officials say has attacked American troops before. The targets included storage facilities that housed weapons used to target U.S. and coalition troops, the statement said.

The Pentagon described the strikes as “defensive, proportional, and in direct response to the threat” posed by Iranian-backed militias.

“The United States will not tolerate attacks against our people, our interests, or our allies,” Defense Secretary Mark T. Esper said in the statement. “As we have demonstrated in recent months, we will take any action necessary to protect our forces in Iraq and the region.”  

https://www.washingt...et-attack-iraq/


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#2567 Roman Alymov

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Posted 13 March 2020 - 0218 AM

And here's the actual retaliation against the Soleimani hit.

 

Taji Airbase has been hit by a salvo of rockets, killing 2 US personnel and one from the UK , with about a dozen wounded.

 

Looking very much like USSR problems in Afganistan


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#2568 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 13 March 2020 - 0357 AM

Or like Russia and Syria's problem 6 months from now when they have finally 'won' the land war.


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#2569 KV7

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Posted 13 March 2020 - 0622 AM

'Iraqi Officials Say ISIS—Not Iran—Likely Behind Rocket Attack'

https://www.commondr...V89nwrw_5H8S71E


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#2570 Adam Peter

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Posted 13 March 2020 - 0922 AM

U.S. launches strikes in Iraq against Iranian-backed militias after attack that killed coalition troops

Unlikely, as in the Tweet Der Zeitgeist linked, a Fox reporter was told that a Katyusha system used is a capability beyond the abilities of ISIS. Which is a lie eclipsing Colin Powell's WMD claims.

 

In short, there is a new reason to guard those oil wells by the """Reluctant""" Cops of the World.


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#2571 JWB

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Posted 13 March 2020 - 1024 AM

 

U.S. launches strikes in Iraq against Iranian-backed militias after attack that killed coalition troops

Unlikely, as in the Tweet Der Zeitgeist linked, a Fox reporter was told that a Katyusha system used is a capability beyond the abilities of ISIS. Which is a lie eclipsing Colin Powell's WMD claims.

 

In short, there is a new reason to guard those oil wells by the """Reluctant""" Cops of the World.

 

I think you quoted the wrong post.


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#2572 Daan

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Posted 14 March 2020 - 1114 AM

Photographs of the systems and Iranian Fajr-1 rockets used in the attack:

 

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#2573 Roman Alymov

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Posted 14 March 2020 - 1609 PM

Or like Russia and Syria's problem 6 months from now when they have finally 'won' the land war.

Actually no: hard  learned Afghanistan lesson was not to place bases in territory where both local population and security forces on the ground are strongly on your side. That's why Russia is not setting significant permanent bases outside Syrian Gov stronghold Latakia (and rumor was almost all property around Hmeimim  base was bought out by Hesballa members and associates - fotr them it is ambrella and safe haven agains possible air attacks, while for Russia they provide vital eyes and boots on the ground looking at every  stranger as potential attacker. In Afghanistan USSR was spreading the bases to territories Kabul Gov was not in full control, as result MLRS attacks were almost daily problem. Hmeimim is only within reach of drones (more or less sucessfully defeated by base AD) and very distant "big" MLRS shots.

   No reason to expect rocket attacks problem to escalate after new significant land gains for Syrian Gov, as territories once frontline are now quite deep rear.
 


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#2574 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 15 March 2020 - 0237 AM

Its amusing to be lectured Afghanistan, when its self evident Russia has done everything it can to forget all the lessons. Hell, when the Russian General Staff came to publish the official study on Afghanistan, they had to get a westerner, Lester Grau, to put up the money for it!

https://www.amazon.c...84257642&sr=8-3

 

Russian doesnt have many forces in Syria because that is a lesson it learned from Afghanistan. Its not got many forces because it can supply them if it did have them there.

 

Russia is at best a bit player in someone elses war. But the time will come when it too will be receiving mortar attacks on its bases. When the general war finishes, the unconventional one will likely continue with Saudi Money.  Which seems a reasonable assumption, after all, thats what happened last time, right?


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#2575 Roman Alymov

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Posted 15 March 2020 - 0805 AM

Its amusing to be lectured Afghanistan, when its self evident Russia has done everything it can to forget all the lessons.

The main lesson learned by Russia from Afghanistan affair is not to attempt to drag medieval feudal society into XX century. It was once done by Soviet Union of 1920th-1930th to Central Asian republics (with massive price paid in numerous lives of young doctors, teachers, administrators and military personnel),  but USSR of 1980th was already not prepared to commit this amount of lives to Afghanistan,  and modern capitalist state like Russia is even less fit for the task. Even inside Russia places like Chechnya are de-facto abandoned to their tribal system, nobody is willing to change it quicker then natural evolution.  So now it is West who, in white men arrogance, try to fight traditional societies. Not surprising West lost in Afghanistan and Iraq, while extremely limited Russian effort in Syria was more or less successful.

 

 

Hell, when the Russian General Staff came to publish the official study on Afghanistan, they had to get a westerner, Lester Grau, to put up the money for it!

https://www.amazon.c...84257642&sr=8-3

Any proof of it, above regular marketing  for this book?
 

 


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#2576 Roman Alymov

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Posted 15 March 2020 - 0809 AM

Russian doesnt have many forces in Syria because that is a lesson it learned from Afghanistan. Its not got many forces because it can supply them if it did have them there.

See above, Russian forces in Syria is absolute minimum enough to change course of Syrian Civil war from "Government and Iranian allies slowly loosing war" to  "Government and Iranian allies slowly winning war". Right from the beginning it was limited, and time proved it was correct strategy.
 


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#2577 Roman Alymov

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Posted 15 March 2020 - 0819 AM

Russia is at best a bit player in someone elses war. But the time will come when it too will be receiving mortar attacks on its bases. When the general war finishes, the unconventional one will likely continue with Saudi Money.  Which seems a reasonable assumption, after all, thats what happened last time, right?

First, nice to see you dropping years-old rhetoric of "Barbaric Assad regime pouring WMD on its own peaceful citizens" and calling anti-Gov forces  their real name - terrorists sponsored by KSA (and West, since Saudi could do nothing without West permission).  Second, reality is not matching your expectations: when Russian involvement started, mortar attack,  IED and suicide attacks on public places (including presidential palace in Damascus) were daily reality of Syria. Now, years later, they are almost forgotten. Are Saudi out of money?  No, situation on frontline improved, Syrian security apparatus now not so stretched on open fighting frontline and could pay more attention to terror groups inside Gov-controlled territories. So what is your arguments to expect increase of terror attacks after open hostilities end and Syrian Gov would be able to reallocate extra resources to internal security&
 


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#2578 JWB

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Posted 15 March 2020 - 1034 AM

 

 

Not surprising West lost in Afghanistan and Iraq.................

? The war in Afghanistan is still active. Can't know yet who won. 

War in Iraq is over and won because Saddam is still dead and government is still elected.


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#2579 Roman Alymov

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Posted 15 March 2020 - 1227 PM

? The war in Afghanistan is still active. Can't know yet who won. 

We do not know who won (as war between fractions  in Afghanistan will definitely continue even after USA&Co forces finally withdrawn), but it is obvious who lost: after  19 years of war, wasting thousands of lives, numerous life-changing WIA  and USD 2 trillion, US, the only official superpower, signed accord with official terrorist organization that will allow US forces to leave more or less peacefully. And all this in almost ideal condition, imagine bloodbath US forces would have in case of,  God forbid, their conflict with Russia, China or Iran reaching the stage Afghan fractions will start receiving loads of MANPADS and ATGMS the same way US was supplying rebels.
 

 

War in Iraq is over and won because Saddam is still dead and government is still elected.

 

Only if you believe war in Iraq was really to make Saddam dead and government elected. Saddam was old man, and you tell me US lost about 4500 own men (plus unknown number disabled for life) just to make him dead few years earlier than from natural reasons? Elected Sorry but i am not buying this. Gov is so nice US is now bombing this Gov Army bases? By the way KSA Gov, close US ally, is not elected..

     In Saddam  Iraq, lonely Westerner was safe to travel across desert  - now he would need armor column  around him....


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#2580 JWB

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Posted 15 March 2020 - 1421 PM

OK Roman how do you define win vs lose?


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