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#1 DT

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Posted 23 March 2017 - 1126 AM

I am sure there is a well thought out reason behind it but why are Leopard tank driver positions on the right side?


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#2 Tim Sielbeck

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Posted 23 March 2017 - 1409 PM

Perhaps to help improve the odds that a driver doesn't drop the right track into a ditch on the many narrow roads of Germany?


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Posted 23 March 2017 - 1446 PM

It will help the loader access the ammunition in the nose of the tank when the turret is facing forward. 


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#4 Stefan Kotsch

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Posted 23 March 2017 - 1739 PM

The reason could be that the British L7 gun is loaded from the left side; the hull ammunition must comprehensible also be placed on the left.. Indeed, a real reason is this not. Because it would be not overly complicated to change the gun for loading from the right. If the will were there.Traditionally, all German tank drivers sat on the left. Because in Europe right-hand traffic is common.


Edited by Stefan Kotsch, 23 March 2017 - 1743 PM.

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#5 alejandro_

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Posted 24 March 2017 - 0504 AM

The reason could be that the British L7 gun is loaded from the left side; the hull ammunition must comprehensible also be placed on the left.. Indeed, a real reason is this not. Because it would be not overly complicated to change the gun for loading from the right. If the will were there.Traditionally, all German tank drivers sat on the left. Because in Europe right-hand traffic is common.

 

What about Leopard 2? Hull ammunition on the hull is also at the left of the driver but loader is placed on the right of the turret. One turret ammunition has been exhausted it is necessary to turn the turret to 3 o'clock position for the loader to gain access to the hull ammo and reload the turret racks.


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Posted 24 March 2017 - 0535 AM

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about Leo2A4 and "840mm LOS" left side front armor realy have 840mm, but right side where EMES 15 installed, it will have big cavity for sight, and only 600-650mm LOS, no ?
 
on L2A5/6 weakned zone slightly less, since the scope is set higher
 
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so it will be something like this for L2A4

Edited by Wiedzmin, 24 March 2017 - 0537 AM.

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#7 DKTanker

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Posted 24 March 2017 - 0618 AM

 

The reason could be that the British L7 gun is loaded from the left side; the hull ammunition must comprehensible also be placed on the left.. Indeed, a real reason is this not. Because it would be not overly complicated to change the gun for loading from the right. If the will were there.Traditionally, all German tank drivers sat on the left. Because in Europe right-hand traffic is common.

 

What about Leopard 2? Hull ammunition on the hull is also at the left of the driver but loader is placed on the right of the turret. One turret ammunition has been exhausted it is necessary to turn the turret to 3 o'clock position for the loader to gain access to the hull ammo and reload the turret racks.

 

Loader on the Leo2 is on the left, same as the Leo 1, same as the Challenger, same as the M1...


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Posted 24 March 2017 - 0652 AM

Loader on the Leo2 is on the left, same as the Leo 1, same as the Challenger, same as the M1...

 

D'oh I checked the wrong website then. Then it makes sense.


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Posted 24 March 2017 - 0736 AM

Perhaps to help improve the odds that a driver doesn't drop the right track into a ditch on the many narrow roads of Germany?


This and the easier access to the hull storage for the loader from the turret left side are the two reasons usually given.


From own experience it is easier to see the right kerbside from the driver's position. I have damaged the left side on a narrow road once. :blush: Just some scratches on the stones of the pedestrian sidewalk, but still damaged.


On the other hand the Marder has the driver on the left side although it has been developed around the same time as the Leopard 1. SPz Puma has driver on the left as well, but the GTK Boxer and PzH2000 on the right. Not much rhyme nor reason.
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Posted 26 March 2017 - 1257 PM

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maybe someone know source of this late Leo2AV scheme ? 


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Posted 27 March 2017 - 1226 PM

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maybe someone know source of this late Leo2AV scheme ? 

Tamiya used to have a book on the Leopard 2. That is where I remember seeing this image.


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Posted 27 March 2017 - 1329 PM

The reason could be that the British L7 gun is loaded from the left side; the hull ammunition must comprehensible also be placed on the left.. Indeed, a real reason is this not. Because it would be not overly complicated to change the gun for loading from the right. If the will were there.Traditionally, all German tank drivers sat on the left. Because in Europe right-hand traffic is common.

 

It is easier for a right handed loader to load from the left though.


Edited by KV7, 27 March 2017 - 1329 PM.

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#13 Old ROF

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Posted 27 March 2017 - 1626 PM

The reason could be that the British L7 gun is loaded from the left side; the hull ammunition must comprehensible also be placed on the left.. Indeed, a real reason is this not. Because it would be not overly complicated to change the gun for loading from the right. If the will were there.Traditionally, all German tank drivers sat on the left. Because in Europe right-hand traffic is common.

This has already been done when the Royal Ordnance Factories produced the T55 upgunning kit to 105mm calibre.This involved developing an inverted breech system which became part of the RO N301T1 ordnance. This enabled loading from the right instead of the left.


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#14 Stefan Kotsch

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Posted 31 March 2017 - 1211 PM

 

The reason could be that the British L7 gun is loaded from the left side; the hull ammunition must comprehensible also be placed on the left.. Indeed, a real reason is this not. Because it would be not overly complicated to change the gun for loading from the right. If the will were there.Traditionally, all German tank drivers sat on the left. Because in Europe right-hand traffic is common.

 

It is easier for a right handed loader to load from the left though.

 

I have loaded both from the right and from the left and have observed no difference.


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Posted 01 May 2017 - 1523 PM

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L2K


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#16 Wiedzmin

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Posted 09 May 2017 - 0559 AM

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not Leo, but Kpz70


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Posted 16 December 2017 - 0609 AM

Leopard 1A1A1 addon armor

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turret roof

 

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turret sides


Edited by Wiedzmin, 16 December 2017 - 0612 AM.

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#18 Wiedzmin

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Posted 26 February 2018 - 0149 AM

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is L7A2 version of L7A3 without bore evacuator ?


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#19 Stefan Kotsch

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Posted 26 February 2018 - 1429 PM

Every 105 mm L7 has an bore evacuator (Oor ejector :) ). As far as I know

 

BTW. Which German tank is that? The FCS seems to me unknown.

 

@edit

Version of Tanque Argentino Mediano (TAM) with L7A2?


Edited by Stefan Kotsch, 26 February 2018 - 1445 PM.

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#20 Wiedzmin

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Posted 26 February 2018 - 1503 PM

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this one


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