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#1081 Chris Werb

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Posted 08 November 2019 - 1154 AM

So even if we bought the C model and a conventional carrier, we would still have had gun pods.

 

Ill admit the range be an issue in naval warfare, but its not as if they would be incapable of fitting for buddy refuelling.

 

In naval warfare (as unlikely as that may be) the lack of an anti ship missile on UK JSFs is a bigger problem than lack of range. SPEAR Capability 3 will help remedy that, as long as we don't buy the unpowered SDB II to meet the requirement.


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Posted 09 November 2019 - 1024 AM

AV-8Bs checking out Lusty... 

Exploring the challenges


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#1083 Colin

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Posted 09 November 2019 - 1707 PM

dang beat me to it....


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#1084 JW Collins

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Posted 10 November 2019 - 0601 AM

Well no, not really. Its an A model in most respects, other than G load and fuel load. We have discussed fuel load before, its somewhat irrelevant if they use external tanking and any tankers in the operational theatre. G load, well the Tomcat had a G load of 6.5 G, about 0.5 g more than the F35B. And one has to ask how useful G load will be when your airplane is supposed to be invisible and has the worlds current longest range AA missile hanging off it.
 
There is a fixation that all STOVL aircraft have to be inadequate. I dont believe this is the case. This arguably had STOVL shoehorned into it, but otherwise its a fully capable 21st Century fighter. We really must not sell it short here.
 
The Carriers were delivered on time, I certainly dont recall any discussion of delays. Besides, we may yet get RAF Harriers operating off it, flown by the USMC.....

B is heavier, slower, carries less fuel, doesn't have a gun, less stealthy, more expensive to acquire and operate than A. I really don't see any land user buying B. We are talking about 20 to 30% cut on force levels with B. Pretty much nobody is willing to take such cut from already sparse numbers just to gain STOVL.
B is of course impressive for STOVL fighter and I believe will be acquired to more navies for STOVL carrier capability like Harrier was, it's not like there is real competition in the niche. But I doubt land users are interested, just like with Harriers.

Slower? Slightly worse acceleration but same max speed. Less stealthy? According to who?
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#1085 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 10 November 2019 - 0725 AM

 

So even if we bought the C model and a conventional carrier, we would still have had gun pods.

 

Ill admit the range be an issue in naval warfare, but its not as if they would be incapable of fitting for buddy refuelling.

 

In naval warfare (as unlikely as that may be) the lack of an anti ship missile on UK JSFs is a bigger problem than lack of range. SPEAR Capability 3 will help remedy that, as long as we don't buy the unpowered SDB II to meet the requirement.

 

 

RN Admirals seem pretty assured that isnt a problem, although im not sure what they have in mind. I have to agree, SPEAR is probably the best option on offer, but there is an existing capablity we can buy off the peg in a hurry if we feel the need.

https://thediplomat....hip-capability/


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#1086 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted Yesterday, 02:47 AM

Third and lest episode. Hopefully they might make another series, preferably of the 2021 deployment.


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#1087 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted Yesterday, 02:51 AM

Rememberance Day.

https://twitter.com/HMSQnlz

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#1088 shep854

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Posted Yesterday, 02:59 PM

I would have expected for Capt. Kyd to have taken the ship home before leaving, as well as some sort of change-of-command ceremony.


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#1089 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted Today, 02:36 AM

Well, its the Royal Navy's way. All fairly understated.

 

The relieving captain was himself relieved it will be remembered, under unfortunate circumstances. If I were the next captain of HMS Queen Elizabeth, Id tell the MOD to stick their car.

https://navaltoday.c...f-official-car/

 

Captain Kyd (was there ever a better name for the captain of an RN Carrier?) is now Rear Admiral Kyd, RN Fleet Commander. Well deserved seeing he did such a great job of getting the ship into service.

https://navaltoday.c...leet-commander/


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#1090 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted Today, 02:51 AM

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#1091 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted Today, 02:53 AM

There are also some nice photos showing the lift system on HMS Prince of Wales.

 

https://twitter.com/HMSPWLS

 

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Posted Today, 09:14 AM

Well, its the Royal Navy's way. All fairly understated.

 

The relieving captain was himself relieved it will be remembered, under unfortunate circumstances. If I were the next captain of HMS Queen Elizabeth, Id tell the MOD to stick their car.

https://navaltoday.c...f-official-car/

 

Captain Kyd (was there ever a better name for the captain of an RN Carrier?) is now Rear Admiral Kyd, RN Fleet Commander. Well deserved seeing he did such a great job of getting the ship into service.

https://navaltoday.c...leet-commander/

There may have been more to this; getting sacked over 'unofficial' use of a car is a bit steep.


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#1093 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted Today, 09:17 AM

Its very strange, particularly as he got move onto another role without being subject to disciplinary procedure. So, who knows. Maybe the steward fitted him up for not eating the mango chunks. :D


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