Is eating fruits and vegetables even to be considered splurging? we are coming from apes hopping from tree to tree collecting fruits and nuts and then hunter-gatherers.
Veggies? No (well, most of them... splurging on potatoes in whatever form you eat them isn't much better than splurging on sweets). Fruits? Very much a possibility.
From the experts I've read most fruit has been cultivated over generations to be more sweet than what our ancestors ate. Couple that to the year-round availability we have due to modern logistics and we have far more access to fruit than our ancestors could have dreamed about (one strategy I've seen several docs/health gurus advocate to counter this - only eat local fruit when in season).
I didn't even think I was splurging on fruit half a year ago when I was working on getting back down to 220. Thinking I had gone the extra mile I was starting to make these veggie smoothies based on a recipe of one of the experts I follow. The bloody things tasted awful so added a bit more fruit than what she recommended. Never bothered to look at the numbers. Only a few months later did I add everything up. A banana + half an apple + ~4oz of blueberries is nearly 60g of carbs! The guy I follow mostly now (because doing so has worked just as he called it) is Mark Sisson and the tl;dr version of his weight loss strategy is Intermittent Fasting plus limiting all carbs to 50-100g a day. When I do that the weight flies off. When I added in that veggie smoothie my total carb intake for the day basically doubled and the weight stayed put (just as he said it would).
I've definitely seen several experts at this point actually recommend to limit fruit intake. I can see why after my above experience.
You gave me something to think about. And true, todays fruits are manmade through selective breeding seriously increasing sugar content in most fruits. My intake outside christmas season is maybe one or two apples a day (or equivalent) on average. Juices if any mostly as flavouring for water. I drink mostly water or tea nowadays, so sugar intake is vastly reduced from when i was younger. During christmas season I eat mandarines by the crate. I just cannot help it. but maybe only one choclate santa per year. So I guess it is still better to eat fruit than chocolate.
Gotterdamurung of the Calories
"A calorie of carbohydrate and a calorie of protein both have the same amount of stored energy, so they perform identically in an oven. But put those calories into real bodies and they behave quite differently. And we are still learning new insights: American researchers discovered last year that, for more than a century, weve been exaggerating by about 20% the number of calories we absorb from almonds."
That proteins, carbohydrates and fats behave differently is nothing new (low-carb and Atkins diets and such build on this), but a lot of dietary research has to be redone. I always found it odd, that the three groups were always mixed together indiscriminately. I mean, just look at how proteins (e.g. egg or meat), fats (olive oil, butter) and carbohydrates (sugar, bread) react while cooking them. Sure, just burning a substance and get a caloric reading is easy. But easy and simple is most of the time under complex and thus wrong. BLoody complex nature.
Edited by Panzermann, 06 January 2020 - 1850 PM.