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#1 Jeff

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Posted 31 December 2019 - 1306 PM

Iranian backed militias fire rockets at a base, kill a US contractor and injure several US soldiers. US flattens a few MIlitia camps. Iranian backed militias storm the embassy and start fires. Last I heard a Marine QRF was sent in. Iran really wants to start a fight. Why? As with the tanker war, they can escalate whenever they want to. If we hammer their militia allies, they don't care, they are cannon fodder anyway. If we hit them directly, all hell breaks lose. Not a good situation. The Iraqi government hasn't done much to secure our embassy because they're Iranian stooges.


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#2 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 31 December 2019 - 1314 PM

Because when you have internal problems, it's an easy thing I externalize your problems. See Galtieris gambit.

That said, it was a misguided thing to beat a Hornets best and not expect to get stung.
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Posted 31 December 2019 - 1321 PM

Don't worry, our media is right on it.

 

"Mourners responding to deadly US attacks." Those darned Americans again.

 

The New York Times
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Hundreds of Iraqi mourners tried to storm the United States Embassy in Baghdad, shouting “Down, down USA!,” in response to deadly American airstrikes this week that killed 25 fighters

4:07 AM · Dec 31, 2019

https://twitter.com/...936881421824001

 

 

Some mourners in action:

 

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#4 RETAC21

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Posted 31 December 2019 - 1353 PM

Iranian backed militias fire rockets at a base, kill a US contractor and injure several US soldiers. US flattens a few MIlitia camps. Iranian backed militias storm the embassy and start fires. Last I heard a Marine QRF was sent in. Iran really wants to start a fight. Why? As with the tanker war, they can escalate whenever they want to. If we hammer their militia allies, they don't care, they are cannon fodder anyway. If we hit them directly, all hell breaks lose. Not a good situation. The Iraqi government hasn't done much to secure our embassy because they're Iranian stooges.

 

Iranians are also getting the short stick in Iraq from Iraquis fed up with Iranians, it just doesn't make the news. The Iraqui government can't do shit because they are in the middle of it all and receiving from both sides.

 

According to some in this grate sight, none of this should concern the US, remember?


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Posted 31 December 2019 - 1538 PM

Iraqis have been protesting against Iranian influence certainly. The goverment, between a rock and a hard place, tries to remain uninvolved.

TBH, seeing how recent US policy seems ready to cut and run from the middle east, who can blame them?
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#6 Roman Alymov

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Posted 31 December 2019 - 1618 PM

Because when you have internal problems, it's an easy thing I externalize your problems. See Galtieris gambit.
 

Really....

https://www.rt.com/n...iran-consulate/

Protesters set fire to Iranian consulate in Basra, Iraq (VIDEO)
7 Sep, 2018 15:40

 

And Iraq is not the only US-sponsored failed state where this practice is in use


Edited by Roman Alymov, 31 December 2019 - 1624 PM.

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Posted 31 December 2019 - 1640 PM


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That's either from last week's embassy's visa window closure in Baghdad, or from last week's Iraqi release of Rise of Skywalker.


Edited by Nobu, 31 December 2019 - 1643 PM.

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Posted 31 December 2019 - 1641 PM

Why are we there?  If the wogs don't want us there, leave.  If you're not wanted, leave.

 

These cunts should be begging for our attention, instead we behave like the nerdy kid trying to fit in.  To Hell with that.

 

This is what happens when you leave your governance and diplomacy to soy eating weaklings and women. 

 

Leave, stop spending good money after bad.  Sell whatever to whomever has cash money, everyone else can piss off.  Oh?  The Turks and Russians want to try their hand?  Great, best wishes, hope they had better luck then we had and are willing to do what we were not.  S/F....Ken M  


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Posted 31 December 2019 - 1730 PM

I don't care what 3rd world disaster zone you live in, nobody is busting down windows to see Disney's dumpster fire. 


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Posted 31 December 2019 - 1749 PM

Trump is not Jimmy Carter or Obama, there WILL be a price paid by the Mullahs.  Just what that will be, well we will have to wait and see.


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Posted 31 December 2019 - 1750 PM

 


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That's either from last week's embassy's visa window closure in Baghdad, or from last week's Iraqi release of Rise of Skywalker.

 

A couple of M-134D's with large ammo hoppers could take care of this problem.  Don't expect logic, rational thought or even decency from essentially primitive tribal cultures.


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Posted 31 December 2019 - 1958 PM

Trump is not Jimmy Carter or Obama, there WILL be a price paid by the Mullahs.  Just what that will be, well we will have to wait and see.

Seein' is belivien'.  It is said this will not be another Benghazi, we'll see.


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Posted 31 December 2019 - 2008 PM

Iraq population is split of favoring Iran or against Iran. But my guess would be more than half are sick and tired of a US presence. POTUS is calling on Iraq to stand up to Iran dispite the split nature of the population. The militia "mourners" sounds like code for the democrats to ready up counter points about "Trump failed policy in the ME". Iran could probably bet on that US internal complication. US deep state probably wants to stay in Iraq. Surely Iraqi Kurdistan as well. But more significantly, KSA and Israel too, so as to prevent the deepening of Iran influence in Iraq. Anti-Iran Iraq split probably not strong enough on their own. Trump probably wants to keep forces there, if at most, to protect the massive US embassy there. But he probably doesn't have many political points for it. The Iranian militias might be small scale, perhaps testing the waters about US resolve, Iraq government resolve, and maybe to present possible greater headache for Trump as 2020 election comes along. US gov officials should surely have expected Iran try to escalate as a hard-headed counter to additional pending sanctions/resulation that may result from the countdown: https://www.state.go...ies-areas/iran/
If the rocket attacks and embassy "mourner" attack is kept at that, this may blow over. But if it continues to escalate, Iraq government will be forced to choose a side, rupturing them possibly, more car bombs and such. If the US is then presented with the decision to surge or not to surge, international support, particularly in the form of boots on the ground, would be needed in order for POTUS to sustain enough political strength in US debates about Iraq, otherwise his debate points would be too weak.

Well, just 2 cents.
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Posted 31 December 2019 - 2232 PM

We dont need an embassy in Iraq if they have one here in the US and a sat phone.

Nation building is a lot like trying to intervene in domestic abuse. Youre not saving anyone if they dont want to be saved, and trying to force it doesnt work because any fragile stability achieved falls apart again as soon as you step away. Its a symptom, and being a crutch doesnt do them any favors well intended or not. Theres no shortcut to clawing your way to civilization if theyre not ready for it, you cant do it for them, and when they are ready for it they dont need us to save them anymore.

Well, a few JDAM can be decisive at the right place and time, but the point is theyre going to have to do the work if its going to last.

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Posted 31 December 2019 - 2301 PM

Nation building is a lot like trying to intervene in domestic abuse. Youre not saving anyone if they dont want to be saved.

 

Often, they are also desperately seeking someone to blame. Anyone other than themselves, of course.


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Posted 31 December 2019 - 2326 PM

 

Trump is not Jimmy Carter or Obama, there WILL be a price paid by the Mullahs.  Just what that will be, well we will have to wait and see.

Seein' is belivien'.  It is said this will not be another Benghazi, we'll see.

 

 

It won't be Benghazi since they won't be left to die. Hey, weren't we told Benghazi was not a disaster? I guess all of the Trump haters calling this Trump's Benghazi are finally admitting what a cluster Benghazi really was.

 

It is a problem I don't know the answer to. Last I heard, C-17s with a ready battalion from 82nd Airborne was over the Atlantic on its way to Kuwait with the rest of the ready brigade on notice for possible movement.


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Posted 01 January 2020 - 0158 AM

That was quick.
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Posted 01 January 2020 - 0314 AM

 

Because when you have internal problems, it's an easy thing I externalize your problems. See Galtieris gambit.
 

Really....

https://www.rt.com/n...iran-consulate/

Protesters set fire to Iranian consulate in Basra, Iraq (VIDEO)
7 Sep, 2018 15:40

 

And Iraq is not the only US-sponsored failed state where this practice is in use

 

Russian invasion of Ukraine, Russian Invasion of Crimea, armed buildup along the Baltic states border.... You really need to stop pretending its everyone else that does this Roman.


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Posted 01 January 2020 - 0323 AM

https://uk.reuters.c...p-idUKKBN1YZ1DD

The Pentagon said that in addition to Marines sent to protect embassy personnel, about 750 soldiers from the 82nd Airborne Division were being sent to the Middle East and that additional troops were prepared to deploy over the next several days.

“This deployment is an appropriate and precautionary action taken in response to increased threat levels against U.S. personnel and facilities, such as we witnessed in Baghdad today,” U.S. Defense Secretary Mark Esper said in a statement.

U.S. officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, said the 750 troops would initially be based out of Kuwait. The officials said that as many as 4,000 troops could be sent to the region in the coming days if needed.

More than 5,000 U.S. troops are stationed in Iraq supporting local forces.

The unprecedented attack on an American diplomatic mission in Iraq marked a sharp escalation of the proxy conflict between the United States and Iran - both influential players in the country - and plunged U.S. relations with Iraq to their worst level in years.

The United States and its allies invaded Iraq in 2003 and ousted Saddam Hussein. But political stability has been elusive.

Trump, on a two-week working vacation in Palm Beach, Florida, spoke by phone to Iraqi Prime Minister Adel Abdul Mahdi of Iraq. “President Trump emphasized the need to protect United States personnel and facilities in Iraq,” the White House said.

Trump accused Iran of orchestrating the violence.

“Iran will be held fully responsible for lives lost, or damage incurred, at any of our facilities. They will pay a very BIG PRICE! This is not a Warning, it is a Threat,” Trump said in a tweet.

 

Asked later in the day about the possibility of tensions spiralling into a war with Iran, Trump told reporters: “Do I want to? No. I want to have peace. I like peace. And Iran should want to have peace more than anybody. So I don’t see that happening.”

Iran, under severe economic duress from punishing U.S. sanctions put in place by Trump, denied responsibility.

“America has the surprising audacity of attributing to Iran the protests of the Iraqi people against (Washington’s) savage killing of at least 25 Iraqis,” Iranian Foreign Ministry spokesman Abbas Mousavi said.

The embassy incident came seven years after the 2012 attack by armed militants on the U.S. diplomatic compound in Benghazi, Libya, that resulted in the death of the U.S. ambassador and three other Americans and led to multiple congressional investigations.

 

If you are a mullah, how are you going to read that? One minute he is saying he wants peace, the next he wants war. Besides, arguably the Iranians (at least some of them) WANT a regional war. Hasnt anyone in the White House got the memo yet? You cant threaten them with what they want.


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#20 Roman Alymov

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Posted 01 January 2020 - 0811 AM

 

 

Because when you have internal problems, it's an easy thing I externalize your problems. See Galtieris gambit.
 

Really....

https://www.rt.com/n...iran-consulate/

Protesters set fire to Iranian consulate in Basra, Iraq (VIDEO)
7 Sep, 2018 15:40

 

And Iraq is not the only US-sponsored failed state where this practice is in use

 

 

Russian invasion of Ukraine, Russian Invasion of Crimea, armed buildup along the Baltic states border.... You really need to stop pretending its everyone else that does this Roman.

 

"Russian invasion of Ukraine"? Unfortunately our leadership is too weak and pro-Western for that, and that is why this part of Russia, privatized by local Communist Party bosses  in 1991, is still staying separated from Russia mainland, in hands of oligarchs and nazis.
  Back to the region, using angy mob against competitive power embassy is nothing new - see events in Tehran in 1829  https://en.wikipedia...nder_Griboyedov
"Russian sources claim that] British agents, who feared Russian influence in Tehran..... were responsible for inciting the mob"
 


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