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#1 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 03 December 2018 - 1433 PM

Does anyone happen to know of any sources that show unit locations in Normany in 1944 for luftwaffe units? I dont mean field infantry units, what im really after is anything that might show the location of Flak Battery's, Radar units, that kind of thing. Im thinking allied intelligence documents would probably be a better bet, but thus far ive drawn a blank.


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Posted 03 December 2018 - 1515 PM

http://ww2.dk/


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Posted 03 December 2018 - 1521 PM

More specifically, http://ww2.dk/Airfie...ds - France.pdf


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Posted 03 December 2018 - 1717 PM

 

Wow! That's a brilliant resource!


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Posted 04 December 2018 - 0019 AM

There could certainly be worse postings than one at those airfields in the winter of 1943/44.

 

You do like Biarritz, don't you?


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Posted 04 December 2018 - 0300 AM

That is a very good website and ive found it to be very useful in the past in placing Soviet PVO units in CMANO. In actual fact, the coordinates for that are so accurate you can still find SAM 2 sites on Google Earth if you examine Crimea and Ukraine. But it doesnt seem to give anything like the same level of detail for Luftwaffe flak or radar units that arent co located with airfields.

 

 

What im basically trying to do (as a wierd hobby) is try to fill out the Normandy map in Digital Combat Simulator with historic air defences, radar and flak and suchlike, to turn it into a template so others can use it for scenario making. It does have the airfields in place already, so although that article is very useful in placing some of the light flak units, it doesnt do much for placing the heavier flak units. For example, I managed to figure out the location of one Wurzburg Reise from the book DDay then and now (its still got one there today as part of a museum). But im at a complete loss to locate any of the others.

 

Im surprised, I would have thought this kind of think would be much more available somewhere.

 

Thank you all for the responses so far btw.


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Posted 04 December 2018 - 0427 AM

OK, I guess I found something for Radar, hope its of interest.

 

https://www.geschich...ask=1&Itemid=63

 

This is interesting too.

https://en.wikipedia...s_Radar_Station

 

Ive a book on the dismantling of the Luftwaffe postwar by the RAF, and it gives some information on Flak and radar units. But not France, which im presuming the French dealt with themselves.


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Posted 04 December 2018 - 0548 AM

 

 

Wow! That's a brilliant resource!

 

 

Many other countries as well, http://www.ww2.dk/lwairfields.html


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Posted 04 December 2018 - 0606 AM

If you want cold war Soviet (and latterly, Chinese) then Eastern Orbat is a pretty awesome site.

 

http://www.easternorbat.com/index.html


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Posted 04 December 2018 - 0616 AM

Whilst im being cheeky, does anyone have an orbat for Luftwaffe Flak Batteries/Regiments? Specifically light and 88mm?


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Posted 04 December 2018 - 0642 AM

Stuart, see the link RETAC21 posted.


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Posted 04 December 2018 - 0650 AM

I did, It just doesnt seem to have any links showing what a flak unit was supposed to have. Or at least, does not appear to have, there is a lot to wade through on that site.

 

Not to worry, this seems to come fairly close.

https://ia800303.us....ftArtillery.pdf


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Posted 04 December 2018 - 0719 AM

Nice link Stuart. :D


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Posted 04 December 2018 - 0729 AM

Yeah, good old archive.org, I would be sorry if that site ever disappears.

 

There is also this one on the 88mm guns of WW1 and WW2.

https://archive.org/...ned?q=88mm flak


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Posted 04 December 2018 - 0756 AM

People might find this interesting too, a Luftwaffe training manual on air to air gunnery. Very reminiscent of Tigerfibel.

https://archive.org/...rs-Schiessfibel


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Posted 04 December 2018 - 1342 PM

It says Abbeville didnt host fighters after Jan 43. But I remember reading about the Abbeville boys. I would have thought they were active until 1944 (since much of what Ive read is from American sources).

Werent they the unit with the spiral painted on the nose spinner of their Me-109s?
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Posted 04 December 2018 - 1627 PM

There could certainly be worse postings than one at those airfields in the winter of 1943/44.

 

You do like Biarritz, don't you?

 

Certainly beats trying to hold back the Red Army on the Dnieper.


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Posted 04 December 2018 - 1715 PM

It says Abbeville didnt host fighters after Jan 43. But I remember reading about the Abbeville boys. I would have thought they were active until 1944 (since much of what Ive read is from American sources).

Werent they the unit with the spiral painted on the nose spinner of their Me-109s?

 

Just about all German fighters had a spiral nose spinner. Some had a segmented spinner. Depends on the time period.

 

The name stuck after leaving the area.

 

Operational Units:   II./JG 51 (Jun 40); II./ZG 76 (Jun-Sep 40); Stab, II., III./JG 26 (c.Nov 40 – Jan 43); I./JG 51 (Feb-Mar 41); Erprobungsgruppe 210 (Apr 41); I./SKG 210 (Apr-May 41); II./JG 2 (Jun-Dec 41).


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Posted 04 December 2018 - 2217 PM

Thanks!
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Posted 05 December 2018 - 0354 AM

Yeah, I think they rose to prominance in the Rhubarb missions, which would have been 1941. After that, I guess they started pulling back fighters to defend the Reich.


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