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#2081 Josh

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Posted 02 April 2019 - 1741 PM

Both sides want a deal; neither is winning to make concessions in their position to actually achieve a deal. Putin's pull in the DPRK is near non-existent in any case.


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Posted 02 April 2019 - 2215 PM

Power has a gravitational pull all its own. The rest of the players in the world with enough of it are either too detached or too involved one way or another.

 

Putin doesn't strike me as the kind of man who passes up an opportunity.

 

Imagine Putin.


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Posted 03 April 2019 - 0123 AM

I dont see an opportunity: the two sides are unreconcilable.
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Posted 03 April 2019 - 1548 PM

Going by Trump's statements yesterday afternoon, reconciliation seemed to be the word of the day from the White House side at least.

 

For better or worse, the relationship between Pyongyang and Washington has shifted. It could shift back, but until it does, the window of opportunity for the reaching of a comprehensive understanding between the two remains open in my view.


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Posted 03 April 2019 - 1756 PM

Well agree to disagree. So far the communication has been superficial and the fundamental positions havent changed, much like the fundamentals between the administration and Xi havent changed despite numerous rumors to the contrary.
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Posted 04 April 2019 - 0946 AM

You're bias against Trump colors your judgement.  But, an agreement might sign, seal and deliver 2020 for Trump.  The core issue is that the US wants full NK disarmament before relieving sanctions.  The program itself was daddy's, not the boy's.  I doubt Un gives more than one or two fucks about it overall.  He wants legitimacy.


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Posted 08 May 2019 - 1821 PM

While DPRK launched MRLS rockets into the sea, they also test launched what is quite clearly an Iskander.
https://www.38north....melleman050819/
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Posted 08 May 2019 - 1920 PM

You're bias against Trump colors your judgement.  But, an agreement might sign, seal and deliver 2020 for Trump.  The core issue is that the US wants full NK disarmament before relieving sanctions.  The program itself was daddy's, not the boy's.  I doubt Un gives more than one or two fucks about it overall.  He wants legitimacy

The question is whether he can time it so Trump gets something in return. A deal in Hanoi would not have ensured that. One closer to election day might.


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#2089 Josh

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Posted 08 May 2019 - 2031 PM

Again, example China. There is no deal. There wont be a deal with Kim either, because Trumps strategy for not getting what he wants is walking away. It is arguable whether that ever was truly successful for him given his money losses and bankruptcies (plural); it is very unlikely to work with a nation state that has fundamental interests that are not going to change.
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Posted 09 May 2019 - 0716 AM

As long as there is a US insistence that NK disarm its nuclear program before the US makes any concessions at all, a deal can't happen.


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Posted 09 May 2019 - 1840 PM

Something tells me Kim might not be very serious about denuclearization! 

 

https://abcnews.go.c...ory?id=62920773


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Posted 09 May 2019 - 1958 PM

Something tells me Kim might not be very serious about denuclearization! 

 

https://abcnews.go.c...ory?id=62920773

 

Well, he surely doesn't like this: https://www.cnn.com/...ions/index.html


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Posted 30 June 2019 - 0640 AM

Trump meets Kim in DMZ, becomes first sitting US president to step into Hermit Kingdom

 

By Nicole Darrah | Fox News

 

With wide grins and a historic handshake, President Donald Trump because the first sitting U.S. leader to set foot into North Korea when he took 20 steps into the Hermit Kingdom on Sunday.

 

Trump shook hands with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un as he crossed the low stone curb separating the North and the South at about 3:45 p.m. local time. The event — which also included a roughly 50-minute meeting behind closed doors — marked a return to face-to-face contact between the two leaders after talks broke down during a summit in Vietnam in February.

 

Speaking to reporters afterward, Trump said that the two leaders had agreed to revive talks on the pariah nation’s nuclear program.

 

The president said, "speed is not the object" in trying to reach a deal but noted he believes both sides want to get the job done.

 

"We're looking to get it right," Trump said.

 

The meeting between Trump and Kim was the first face-to-face meeting between the two since their failed summit in Hanoi, Vietnam, in February. Prior to that, they met in Singapore last June.

 

Talks between the U.S. and North Korea had mostly broken down since the Hanoi summit, which ended without a deal. North Korea has hesitated at Trump's insistence that it give up its nuclear ambitions before it sees relief from crushing international sanctions.

 

The U.S. has said the North must submit to "complete, verifiable and irreversible denuclearization" before sanctions are lifted.

 

Despite their nearly hour-long chat, Trump said that sanctions on North Korea are still in place, although seemingly left open the possibility of scaling them back as part of renewed negotiations.

 

“At some point during the negotiation, things can happen," the president told reporters, adding that he suggested Kim could visit Washington, D.C., during their discussions.

 

Trump says he told Kim that, “at the right time, you’re going to come over” and that that could be “any time he wants to do it.” He added that he “would certainly extend the invite” and that, “at some point” it will happen.

 

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https://www.foxnews....e-nuclear-talks


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Posted 30 June 2019 - 0802 AM

The media camera people were like shoppers on black friday.
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#2095 Nobu

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Posted 30 June 2019 - 1207 PM

I don't see a scenario developing in which the Nobel is not awarded to one of Kim, Trump, or Moon, or perhaps a combination of the three, at this point.

 

The Pope has apparently given his blessing to the spirit of the meeting as well.

 

As if the complete sidelining of Abe and Japan in this process is not enough, what is frustrating and difficult for Japan and Japanese to come to terms with logically is that if China is and has been to blame for North Korean non-cooperation, the converse may also apply.


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#2096 Roman Alymov

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Posted 04 July 2019 - 0638 AM

Two white Persian cats needed here :)

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P.S. Fixed by Russian gackers

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#2097 R011

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Posted 04 July 2019 - 1248 PM

I don't see a scenario developing in which the Nobel is not awarded to one of Kim, Trump, or Moon, or perhaps a combination of the three, at this point.
 
The Pope has apparently given his blessing to the spirit of the meeting as well.
 
As if the complete sidelining of Abe and Japan in this process is not enough, what is frustrating and difficult for Japan and Japanese to come to terms with logically is that if China is and has been to blame for North Korean non-cooperation, the converse may also apply.


There will be no Nobel Prize for anything Trump is involved in because Orange Man Bad.
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#2098 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 04 July 2019 - 1326 PM

He could get a Nobel prize for tanning though.
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#2099 Nobu

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Posted 04 July 2019 - 2215 PM

I'd give a third cat to Moon, who can be seen in the background of almost any event between Washington and Pyongyang, with a large, Cheshire smile.


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