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#18641 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 05 August 2019 - 0145 AM

To put that in perspective, 13 years ago 30 million Russians lived abroad.

 

https://www.rferl.org/a/1066475.html


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Posted 05 August 2019 - 0216 AM

To put that in perspective, 13 years ago 30 million Russians lived abroad.

 

https://www.rferl.org/a/1066475.html

It is another case - as this Russians were not fresh migrants, but people abandoned  in own houses  when USSR collapsed - so they suddenly found themselves living in "foreign countries".


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Posted 05 August 2019 - 0436 AM

https://en.wikipedia...ora#cite_note-3

reporting 137 million native speakers within the Russian federation as of 2010, out of 167 million native speakers worldwide. Lewis, M. Paul, Gary F. Simons, and Charles D. Fennig (eds.). 2014. Ethnologue: Languages of the World, Seventeenth edition. Dallas, Texas: SIL International

 

Granted not ALL of those will be Russian, but considering Russia considered everyone in Donbass to be pro Russian then its not unreasonable to consider them all as a lump. The point is, there is as many Russian native speakers OUTSIDE the federation than inside. And it exceeds that of Ukraine expats if those figures are correct.


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Posted 05 August 2019 - 0907 AM

Oh come on, Stuart, did you compare populations?


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Posted 05 August 2019 - 1030 AM

Fair one, but then Russia hasnt been invaded by any of its neighbours has it?


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#18646 Roman Alymov

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Posted 06 August 2019 - 1717 PM

Fair one, but then Russia hasnt been invaded by any of its neighbours has it?

If we take popular point of view considering economic migrants as “invaders” (see https://www.dawn.com...cess-says-trumpfor reference) , Russia as world’s No.2 migrants destination (https://sputniknews.com/russia/20130912183384782-Russia-Has-Second-Largest-Number-of-Immigrants--UN-Study/ ) is invaded. Note many of this migrants moving to Russia are exactly the same “Ukrainians” Ukrainian Minister of Foreign Affairs Klimkin is speaking about –while Russia is creating fast track for granting them Rus citizenship.

    
  Let me again explain basic difference between Russians abandoned across former Soviet Union when administrative regions became independent states in 1991, and people voting with their feet away from modern Ukraine: majority of Russians who lived abroad were not Russian citizens who migrated abroad, but often lived for generations in places they were abandoned (for example Cossacks cut away by border in what became Northern Kazakhstan).  In contrast with that, most of Ukrainians now abroad  are fresh economic migrants who see no future in Ukraine, or just want better paid jobs.
See more data here https://blogs.elenas...ns-live-abroad/
https://blogs.elenas...ve-work-abroad/
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#18647 Roman Alymov

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Posted 06 August 2019 - 1739 PM

 

 

A bit of a follow-up to the Bloomberg story on crowdsourcing roman put up recently:

 

 

Improvised Optical Equipment in the Donbass

 

Amongst the many types of equipment in service with pro-Russian separatists in Eastern Ukraine – whether received from Russia or captured from Ukrainian stocks – communications equipment and optics have been in short supply.  These items, notable mostly in their shortage, have been important to the war effort, and lamented for their absence. Many separatist and pro-separatist bloggers commenting online have made it known that rebel forces experience continuous shortages of all manner of support equipment. Where large-scale supplies could not be acquired by the separatists via ‘conventional’ channels, separatist forces and their supporters had been forced to seek alternatives, purchased by their civilian supporters or acquired via online crowdfunding. In some cases, such alternatives have included craft-produced solutions.

 

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Figure 1.1 Improvised Trench Periscopes

 

One such item is trench periscopes. Reports from separatist fighters of an increased use of snipers and other long-range small arms engagements by the Ukrainian Armed Forces (whether true, or merely rumours) have led to an increased demand for this equipment. As such, the pro-separatist organisation KCPN (the ‘Coordination Centre for Supporting Novorossiya’), has organised the production of improvised trench periscopes in Moscow and their shipping, by those same volunteers, to separatist fighters near Luhansk.

 

Once a sufficient quantity of supplies has been amassed in Russia, pro-separatist volunteers will then place them on a private vehicle (a van or small truck), and embark on a journey over the Russian-Ukrainian border and towards one of the capitals of the breakaway republics, and from there, to the positions of the various separatist units.

 

 

 

Now this periscope type is in process of improvement -3D printed components to be used to make it more simple to make and repair. But it is already quite cheap for life-saving equipment, users are happy.
“The quality of the optics mounted in these periscopes varies, and claims of monoculars with x13 magnification have been made in pro-Russian sites.”  -that is wrong in two ways  1)Quality is quite good  and no single faulty unit was found among dozens of monoculars installed 2) x13 is producer claim, reality is two times lower I think.

    
If you like more details on this periscope, here is article in Russian  featuring some earlier types (as type described by is product of evolution)
Early types https://kenigtiger.l...om/1868425.html
Delivery https://kenigtiger.l...om/1926143.html
On positions https://kenigtiger.l...om/1935481.html

 

“a standardised wooden ‘turret’ mount” – it I not standartised  mount but simple trial plywood model (only limited number produced) designed to test this design idea  in combat conditions before proceeding to steel versions (at least, hope for it one day it would be all-steel) that would provide real safety for observer.

P.S. Thank you for sharing it!

 

Now some photos made available by pro-Rus volunteers of this new generation of “garage high-tech” cyberpunk trench periscopes with 3D printed components
  Mirror holders (prior to mirrors itself added)
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printing process
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installed
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Fully assembled periscope in 360 degree rotating roof installation, unfortunately still plywood, not armor)
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see https://kenigtiger.l...om/1988866.htmlfor more photos


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#18648 Roman Alymov

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Posted 06 August 2019 - 1820 PM

5 Years today since MH17 was shot down.

 

https://www.huffingt...H18SixRur_P5UhK

“They used old satellite images and claimed it was from July and photoshopped some missile launchers out of it and in others had photoshopped missile launchers into it. They wanted to make the case that Ukraine was moving missile launchers about but we could prove that these images had been faked. 

“The most horrifying thing is that 298 people had just died and two days later they are publishing all these fakes and lying to the world about it, which I think tells you everything you need to know about Russia’s involvement in it.”

Interesting you are complaining about some imagined “Russian fakes” while ignoring real SBU\pro-Ukr fakes that are now part of so called “international investigation”
     Documentary about that (also featuring some previously untold aspects of Malaysian activity behind the scene, de-facto against the will of Western powers)


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Posted 07 August 2019 - 2039 PM

Some town hall like building in Kiev:

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#18650 Roman Alymov

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Posted 18 August 2019 - 0033 AM

https://www.thestar....ld-be-suspended

.....Then on June 20, Prime Minister Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad said the decision to charge the four was a political plot against Russia.

He said Malaysia was not convinced by the JIT’s findings and demanded that the investigators provide proof that the Russians were behind the shooting.

The action plan stated that if the JIT's report was flawed, there was a need to formulate alternative measures.

Dr Chandra claimed that a new investigation to redress the "irregularities" of the JIT investigation was required, given the evidence – detailed by presenters in the first three sessions of the conference – had been ignored by the JIT.


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Posted 18 August 2019 - 0720 AM

the spice. must. flow.


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Posted 02 October 2019 - 1005 AM

https://www.bbc.com/...europe-49903996

 

Anger as Zelensky agrees vote deal in the east.

 

Aside from the dipshit BBC editorial angle about "anger" by "hundreds of protestors" over the new Ukrainian PM moving towards a deal with rebels, perhaps a hopeful sign for the future in an otherwise pretty useless conflict.


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Posted 02 October 2019 - 1455 PM

Mr Zelensky told a news conference that the elections would be held under Ukraine's constitution, and only when no "troops" remained in the separatist areas. This has been taken to mean Russian troops, although Russia denies that its soldiers are present in the east.


It's a cinch the Russians will perpetuate the conflict for however long they deem it in their interests, and this conditional clause makes doing so trivially easy. They can make it look like the Kyiv government's fault, too, just by continuing to insist there are no Russian troops in the country.

I hope it all works out and Ukraine achieves peace, but not holding my breath.
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Posted 02 October 2019 - 1528 PM

The deal would probably be something along the lines of recognition of Crimea in exchange for the end of the insurrection in the breakaway region.


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Posted 03 October 2019 - 0223 AM

 

Mr Zelensky told a news conference that the elections would be held under Ukraine's constitution, and only when no "troops" remained in the separatist areas. This has been taken to mean Russian troops, although Russia denies that its soldiers are present in the east.


It's a cinch the Russians will perpetuate the conflict for however long they deem it in their interests, and this conditional clause makes doing so trivially easy. They can make it look like the Kyiv government's fault, too, just by continuing to insist there are no Russian troops in the country.

I hope it all works out and Ukraine achieves peace, but not holding my breath.

 

 

Exactly. The driving force in this conflict is not, and never was the Rebels. It was always Russia. To join NATO you have to have settled disputes with your neighbours. By Russia camping on your front yard and throwing artillery shells whenever the mood takes them, as they have done in both Ukraine and Georgia, its clearly impossible. If Russia wants to ensure those 2 nations never join NATO, its a no brainer. There was no other reason for this insanity.

 

Russia will never settle it while Putin is still wasting the earths Oxygen. Maybe not even then, depending on who next takes the Iron throne.


Edited by Stuart Galbraith, 03 October 2019 - 0224 AM.

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Posted 03 October 2019 - 0736 AM

As I predicted to you would be the case years ago, Russia put Ukraine on the backburner, the conflict there on ice.  I thought then (and still do) that Putin had concluded the situation is counterproductive to Russian interests, and the lack of fighting now (in comparison to 2014/2015) seems to indicate no desire on the Russian side to increase trouble.  The status quo still causes friction with Europe and Russian interests are to get back onto normal terms with a neutral, (not EU or NATO) Ukraine.  

 

Settle the rebel pocket to the favor of Kiev with full amnesty and recognise the status of Crimea as Russian seem the two basic blocks of an agreement.


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Posted 04 October 2019 - 0240 AM

There is no way LNR and DNR will be under Kiev control. Autonomous regions with some representation at best. Donbass residents now are Russian duo nationals. End to ATO is good for Ukraine.
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#18658 Roman Alymov

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Posted 04 October 2019 - 1555 PM

There is no way LNR and DNR will be under Kiev control. Autonomous regions with some representation at best. Donbass residents now are Russian duo nationals. End to ATO is good for Ukraine.

Technically, no : according to official counter of Russian passports issued to Donetsk Republic citizens (here https://passport.indnr.ru/) only about  21K russian passports issued currently. It is a lot of people, but still only about 1% of population. The same situation in Lugansk republic.  Yes , passport stations are improving their service, yes average output was about 3500 passports per  day and growing, but still with current tempo it will take years to achieve the situation of "Donbass residents are Russian duo nationals" - and, taking into account that passports issued to Donbass residents are, as far as i remember,  about 1\3 of all new passports issued in Russia, world #2 migrant destination - we simply do not have enough specialists for background checks and other necessary measures. See recent scandal when Aeroflot top manager arrested on corruption allegations  was found to be Armenian national who gained Russian citizenship through fake documents, and later changed his name to "Russian" one.


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Posted 12 October 2019 - 1011 AM

As predicted years ago, war in Ukraine is now spilling to where its initiators came from - now even US-sponsored propaganda stations admit something went wrong
https://www.rferl.or...r/30185448.html
Former U.S. Soldier Who Fought With Ukrainian Far-Right Militia Wanted For U.S. Murder

 

"The issue of U.S. white-supremacist organizations being drawn to Ukrainian groups is a concern that was raised by U.S. law enforcement as recently as 2017.

That year, the FBI warned that Azov's military wing is "believed to have participated in training and radicalizing United States-based white supremacy organizations." The statement came as part of a case against a California man who traveled to the Ukrainian capital, Kyiv, to participate in a fight club with Ukrainian ultranationalists."

Interesting description of what nationalist battalion member is supposed to do, in his own words
According to the complaint, Lang responded, "Alright, I'll forward you over to the guy that screens people he'll most likely add you soon[ ... ] Also as a pre-warning if you come to this unit and the government comes to shut down the unit you will be asked to fight. You may also be asked to kill certain people who become on the bad graces of certain groups."
Now this guys are bringing best practices from Ukraine back to US:
Prosecutors also said Smith discussed a plan to kill so-called "antifa" activists, militant left-wing activists who often engage in violent opposition to right-wing groups.
Smith also allegedly described how to build a bomb that could be triggered using a cell phone. He also allegedly suggested building a car bomb and targeting an unnamed U.S. news network.

 

Interestingly, Georgian nationalists, another US-enspired group, are also in the game:
Mamuka Mamulashvili, who commanded a group of pro-Kyiv foreign fighters in the Georgian National Legion and is in touch with Skritsky and Lang’s partner, said that ********* after leaving Right Sector, Lang joined his legion of foreign fighters. He called Lang "a very good specialist."

The same guy three years ago


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#18660 Roman Alymov

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Posted 12 October 2019 - 1024 AM

And how pro-Ukrainians are "fighting terrorists" in Donbass:  failed attempt to blow major road bridge in Lugansk on Sep, 19 this year


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