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#41 Mikel2

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Posted 22 July 2017 - 1300 PM

Isn't it racist to say that people of color are less capable of learning algebra?


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Posted 22 July 2017 - 1525 PM

http://www.npr.org/2...abolish-algebra
 

Algebra is one of the biggest hurdles to getting a high school or college degree — particularly for students of color and first-generation undergrads.
It is also the single most failed course in community colleges across the country. So if you're not a STEM major (science, technology, engineering, math), why even study algebra?
That's the argument Eloy Ortiz Oakley, chancellor of the California community college system, made today in an interview with NPR's Robert Siegel.
At American community colleges, 60 percent of those enrolled are required to take at least one math course. Most — nearly 80 percent — never complete that requirement.
Oakley is among a growing number of educators who view intermediate algebra as an obstacle to students obtaining their credentials — particularly in fields that require no higher level math skills.

 
Now algebra is racist.

Math should be a requirement for a social science degree as it is vital for their future employment. How else are they going to work out how much change to give back when the customer orders a burger and fries?
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Posted 22 July 2017 - 1535 PM

"Work done by women and other minorities have often been overlooked by their peers, hindering their professional advancement and depriving disciplines of diverse perspectives, she argued.

When citations are predominantly those of the work of white, straight males,"

 

Where are your citations who back up the claim that minorities are overlooked by their peers ;)


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Posted 22 July 2017 - 1540 PM

http://www.npr.org/2...abolish-algebra

 

Algebra is one of the biggest hurdles to getting a high school or college degree — particularly for students of color and first-generation undergrads.

It is also the single most failed course in community colleges across the country. So if you're not a STEM major (science, technology, engineering, math), why even study algebra?

That's the argument Eloy Ortiz Oakley, chancellor of the California community college system, made today in an interview with NPR's Robert Siegel.

At American community colleges, 60 percent of those enrolled are required to take at least one math course. Most — nearly 80 percent — never complete that requirement.

Oakley is among a growing number of educators who view intermediate algebra as an obstacle to students obtaining their credentials — particularly in fields that require no higher level math skills.

 

Now algebra is racist.

There was a female comedian who said she was learning algebra so when she went there she could speak the language.


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Posted 22 July 2017 - 1601 PM

Isn't it racist to say that people of color are less capable of learning algebra?

Unless you're in the Correct Club.
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Posted 22 July 2017 - 1728 PM

Liberals are all for the racism of low expectations. 


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Posted 22 July 2017 - 1804 PM

 
Now algebra is racist.

Can't be, it was invented / developed by Muslims, the word itself was coined by Al-Kwarizmi in Baghdad!
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Posted 22 July 2017 - 1808 PM

 

http://www.npr.org/2...abolish-algebra
 

Algebra is one of the biggest hurdles to getting a high school or college degree — particularly for students of color and first-generation undergrads.
It is also the single most failed course in community colleges across the country. So if you're not a STEM major (science, technology, engineering, math), why even study algebra?
That's the argument Eloy Ortiz Oakley, chancellor of the California community college system, made today in an interview with NPR's Robert Siegel.
At American community colleges, 60 percent of those enrolled are required to take at least one math course. Most — nearly 80 percent — never complete that requirement.
Oakley is among a growing number of educators who view intermediate algebra as an obstacle to students obtaining their credentials — particularly in fields that require no higher level math skills.

 
Now algebra is racist.

Math should be a requirement for a social science degree as it is vital for their future employment. How else are they going to work out how much change to give back when the customer orders a burger and fries?

 

The register tells them what to give back, just like asking them to read the time on a dial watch/clock.  :unsure:

 

I always get a kick out of handing them an odd amount of cash because I'd rather get a five back instead of a few ones and they stare at it for a few seconds while their brain locks and then they punch it in the register and you see the light bulb go off when it tells them the change. God help us.


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Posted 22 July 2017 - 1820 PM

I always get a kick out of handing them an odd amount of cash because I'd rather get a five back instead of a few ones and they stare at it for a few seconds while their brain locks and then they punch it in the register and you see the light bulb go off when it tells them the change. God help us.


Only a married guy prefers fives to ones.
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Posted 22 July 2017 - 1823 PM

 

 
Now algebra is racist.

Can't be, it was stolen by Muslims, the word itself was coined by Al-Kwarizmi in Baghdad!

 

 

FIFY. Much of what Euros attribute to Muslims can be traced back to India.

 

Worth pondering what India might have accomplished in STEM had they not been conquered by a drive-on-the-wrong-side-of-the-road empire... ;)


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Posted 23 July 2017 - 0040 AM

I had written 'developed' on purpose, sirrah!

Nice speculation on India, perhaps they might do to the Mississippi what they did to the Ganges, and there would be no McDs, KFC would reign supreme. The national capital would be called New Mumbai, the filthy rich would still be the moghuls, while the fifty states would be the fifty princedoms ruled by maharajas instead of governors but that would not be so different. Finally, half of the Imperial Marines would be called Singh, and most of the Muslims would have gone to Mexico.
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Posted 23 July 2017 - 0811 AM

 

I always get a kick out of handing them an odd amount of cash because I'd rather get a five back instead of a few ones and they stare at it for a few seconds while their brain locks and then they punch it in the register and you see the light bulb go off when it tells them the change. God help us.


Only a married guy prefers fives to ones.

 

Guilty


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Posted 23 July 2017 - 0920 AM

Looks to me as if it's a certain class of "teachers" trying to get out of their duty to educate.

 

See also: howls of anger whenever any type of performance measure is introduced.

 

But maybe that's just me.


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Posted 23 July 2017 - 1046 AM

Public 2- and 4-year colleges in the US (public in the sense of part of the state government) have a retention problem (Ed-speak for the percentage of students that drop/withdraw in a term, alternatively completion rate).

 

The increasingly vast bureaucracy requires an ever-growing student pop to bring the revenue in for all those $150k Safe Space Coordinator positions. Having students completely unprepared for even a 2-year college performance level hurts the monthly P&Ls, so the solution as seen by someone with an Ed degree is to lower standards.

 

Of course, employers will find that an Associates degree from Friendly Local Community College does not mean a graduate can write a simple memo, understand what a statistical mean is, or calculate the number of widgets the monthly budget can afford if one widget costs $8.39 and the budget sets aside $48 per month...


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Posted 23 July 2017 - 1553 PM

Looks to me as if it's a certain class of "teachers" trying to get out of their duty to educate.

 

See also: howls of anger whenever any type of performance measure is introduced.

 

But maybe that's just me.


It's a rather sticky problem because it's not any one thing.


Funding for school systems in the US is based on students attending beyond a minimum number of absentee days and not on student performance. 

The performance in educating students isn't a gauge for pay or merit of systems or schools for teachers, districts or school boards.

Where it is attempted to be gauged, the teachers and educators game the system in such a way that makes any testing somewhat questionable if not meaningless. 

Parents of many of the very underperforming school districts also have very little to any concern for why their kids don't perform, almost to the point of not even exposing their children to the concepts of cause and effect, responsibility or accountability at an early age where it helps them process larger concepts in education. The teachers who GAS send home notes and they're unanswered. 

Some teachers feel that giving students failing grades hurts their feelings and self esteem, so passing grades are necessary to keep them around. This ties into the funding issue as a student who's failed a grade 2-3 times is not going to stay around so everything is done to keep students in schools regardless of actual performance. One teacher I know has related how she could not give a student anything lower than a D even if they did no work and passed not a single test or exam. 

..So educators and their managemnet discourage awarding bad grades. 

Various regulatory mechanisms put into place to try to fix things has meant that more and more jobs surround the school system without actually adding to the mechanisms to educate the students. That balloons the funding costs and doesn't fix anything at all. 

Racial issues and tensions mean that under performing schools are not managed and that issues of one sort are merely blamed on racism and not actually addressed. 

Worse, tribalism, nepotism, and fiscal corruption infest the various inner city schools so that people are really working for themselves and not for the betterment of the students. One account of a National Teacher's Union statement on the issue is that 'the Teachers Union will care about the students when they're members of the union'. 

The trial of the Atlanta Public Schools Cheating scandal is fairly illustrative of the problem. Even at the end there were teachers who were looking at convictions and who wanted to plead guilty but still felt that they had done nothing wrong. 

Background of the case is that the Atlanta Public Schools had an organized process for cheating on a standardized test administered on behalf of federal agencies. Improvements or performance beyond a certain threshold rewarded the school system with Millions in funding. Their 'turn around' after starting the cheating was so remarkable that educators wanted to see what has been done to improve, when nothing could be shown to have been an improvement, people started sniffing around and the more folks looked, the more it was evident that everyone from the School system administrator, principals, assistant principals and teachers had organized a widespread cheating process for all students, essentially taking the scan-tron sheets for their students and changing them to the correct answers after the fact in groups of multiple teachers working together to do so. 

Some trial raw footage...



Highlights of the judge's comments during the sentencing phase. There were a bunch of teachers and administrators who didn't take pleas or cop to the cheating when it was clear they were involved. Even to the point of not wanting to perform an allocution for a plea AFTER they'd been found guilty (the court pretty much bent over backwards not to send these folks to prison). 


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Posted 24 July 2017 - 0508 AM

"Age out." New liberal code talk?

 

http://www.foxnews.c...0-tailpipe.html

 

Bill Nye, the alleged Science Guy, told the Los Angeles Times that older people need to “age out” before climate science can advance. “Climate change deniers, by way of example, are older. It’s generational,” he said. “We’re just going to have to wait for those people to ‘age out,’ as they say.”"

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Posted 24 July 2017 - 0805 AM

 

"Age out." New liberal code talk?

 

http://www.foxnews.c...0-tailpipe.html

 

Bill Nye, the alleged Science Guy, told the Los Angeles Times that older people need to “age out” before climate science can advance. “Climate change deniers, by way of example, are older. It’s generational,” he said. “We’re just going to have to wait for those people to ‘age out,’ as they say.”"

 

 

the age old (haha] saying that advances in science get spread through the dying of old professors.


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Posted 24 July 2017 - 0855 AM

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#59 Wobbly Head

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Posted 24 July 2017 - 1024 AM

"Age out." New liberal code talk?
 
http://www.foxnews.c...0-tailpipe.html
 
Bill Nye, the alleged Science Guy, told the Los Angeles Times that older people need to “age out” before climate science can advance. “Climate change deniers, by way of example, are older. It’s generational,” he said. “We’re just going to have to wait for those people to ‘age out,’ as they say.”"


That's a great idea but what happens but what happens in twenty years when people ask "aren't the polar ice caps supposed to be melted by now?" I guess they will be sent to a Siberian beach resort for re education.
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Posted 24 July 2017 - 1129 AM

 

 

"Age out." New liberal code talk?

 

http://www.foxnews.c...0-tailpipe.html

 

Bill Nye, the alleged Science Guy, told the Los Angeles Times that older people need to “age out” before climate science can advance. “Climate change deniers, by way of example, are older. It’s generational,” he said. “We’re just going to have to wait for those people to ‘age out,’ as they say.”"

 

 

the age old (haha] saying that advances in science get spread through the dying of old professors.

 

I brought this up ages ago.  Zero Population was a big deal in the '70s when they thought new population would be white or American.  When the increase in population was going to be immigration from the 3rd world then there should be no limit because this is good for growth.  So now that illegal immigration is down they are back saying that American babies will cause the sea level to rise.

 

BTW, the article has a quote that can be taken another way.

 

put on some Barry White baby-making music

 

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put on some Barry white baby-making music.

 


Edited by Mobius, 24 July 2017 - 1132 AM.

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