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Posted 07 March 2014 - 2214 PM

http://www.dodbuzz.c...ne-lcs-mission/

Navy Starts Study to Re-Examine LCS Mission

 

Somebody is starting to think...

 

"The current study is beginning to look at a range of options, including adding more armament and weaponry to the LCS, or designing a new platform able to accommodate more armor, weapons and vertical launch tubes for missiles, service officials said."

 

"Hagel questioned whether the existing LCS is survivable enough for combat."


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Posted 07 March 2014 - 2217 PM

Well, a kind of LCS would be quite useful on the Black Sea...



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Posted 07 March 2014 - 2335 PM

Well, a kind of LCS would be quite useful on the Black Sea...

If all you need is a flag-flying speedboat.  



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Posted 07 March 2014 - 2356 PM

http://www.dodbuzz.c...ne-lcs-mission/

Navy Starts Study to Re-Examine LCS Mission

 

Somebody is starting to think...

 

"The current study is beginning to look at a range of options, including adding more armament and weaponry to the LCS, or designing a new platform able to accommodate more armor, weapons and vertical launch tubes for missiles, service officials said."

 

"Hagel questioned whether the existing LCS is survivable enough for combat."

I have to admit I didn't keep on this new class of ship, after visiting wiki I'm left wondering why the USN didn't just buy Coast Guard cutters.



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Posted 08 March 2014 - 0145 AM

Well, take the monohull version, weld in a fuselage plug to extend waterline to 500+ ft, upgun to 5", add some SLCMs in VLS, a couple of Sea Whizz mounts, maybe a helo hanger aft, a nice towed sonar set, and you'd really have something.



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Posted 08 March 2014 - 0950 AM

 

http://www.dodbuzz.c...ne-lcs-mission/

Navy Starts Study to Re-Examine LCS Mission

 

Somebody is starting to think...

 

"The current study is beginning to look at a range of options, including adding more armament and weaponry to the LCS, or designing a new platform able to accommodate more armor, weapons and vertical launch tubes for missiles, service officials said."

 

"Hagel questioned whether the existing LCS is survivable enough for combat."

I have to admit I didn't keep on this new class of ship, after visiting wiki I'm left wondering why the USN didn't just buy Coast Guard cutters.

 

Agreed.  Especially since the cutters will have better endurance and seakeeping ability, which is actually useful for long patrols along austere coasts.  One of the best platforms is the Dutch Absalon-class support ship, as E5M noted in an earlier thread.  



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Posted 10 March 2014 - 1141 AM

They should have just bought Danish Absalon-class. Seems way more useful than LCS versions. 



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Posted 10 March 2014 - 1521 PM

NIH, NIH, NIH...  :(

 

Updated Perrys could do the job nicely as well.


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Posted 17 March 2014 - 0308 AM

As one Navy thinks about this role, so do two others:

 

http://en.wikipedia....ombatant_vessel



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Posted 17 March 2014 - 0746 AM

As one Navy thinks about this role, so do two others:

 

http://en.wikipedia....ombatant_vessel

We could make you a nice deal...



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Posted 18 March 2014 - 1905 PM

As one Navy thinks about this role, so do two others:
 
http://en.wikipedia....ombatant_vessel


The RAN is also observing the development of the United States Navy Littoral Combat Ships, in order to take advantage of lessons learned during the program.


I hope their #1 lesson learned is to watch what the USN does, and do the opposite.

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Posted 04 April 2014 - 1732 PM

In less than two months, the Navy will send the first of its newest class of fighting ships on its first major deployment overseas. Problem is, according to the Pentagon’s chief weapons tester, the Navy will be deploying the USS Freedom before knowing if the so-called Littoral Combat Ship can survive, um, combat. And what the Navy does know about the ship isn’t encouraging: Among other problems, its guns don’t work right.

 

http://www.wired.com...al-combat-ship/



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Posted 05 April 2014 - 0151 AM

I wounder what they are thinking... yes a Arleigh Burke can do "boring" work as rutine patrol, like check up suspected merchant, confirm that there are no mines in the water, help in distress at sea. etc but it is a waste of money... thats is why you need a corvette, but the whole point of the corvette disapear if the cost of the corvette is in the same range as a Arleigh Burke.

 

What the Navy have done is like if the police have order a apache helicopter and pay loots of $$$ to have it to be supersonic and they use it for traffic monitoring. I am sure the apache helicopter can do it well, but so can a cheaper helicopter to,


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Posted 05 April 2014 - 0607 AM

Isn't it a bit of overkill (literally) putting more armament AND weaponry on the LCS? :P



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Posted 05 April 2014 - 1218 PM

I don't understand why NavSea didn't appreciate the vibration at high speeds. The Ashville class PGMs of the Vietnam and 1970s service did 45 knots and had the 3"/50 mount forward. The later hydrofoil  PGH/PHM carried the OTO 76mm autocannon and one prototype even carried a Sheridan turret for testing (USS Flagstaff/1971). The Israeli gunboats and those of the RN, West German and Scandinavian navies also carried various kinds of autocannon a high speeds. The USN downsized to the Cyclone class PCs, a Thorneycroft design of 35 kts with only 20mm autocannon. 

 

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Does anybody do real trials, or are the systems so complex that the trial is for the platform and the systems are to be added whenever they are ready? Seems to be similar problems for the P-8 maritime patrol plane.


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Posted 05 April 2014 - 1328 PM

"Multi-mission" really means not really good at anything, cost to much and no clear idea why we built the dam thing in the first place!



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Posted 05 April 2014 - 1438 PM

Lets just build the thing! We'll figure out why, later.



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Posted 05 April 2014 - 1657 PM

Lets just build the thing! We'll figure out why, later.

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Posted 05 April 2014 - 1826 PM

They should have just bought Danish Absalon-class. Seems way more useful than LCS versions. 

 

 

This a thousand times.



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Posted 06 April 2014 - 0859 AM

Cylclones have 25mm cannon. Usually one in an unstabilised mounting forward (Mk 38 Mod 0 or perhaps Mod 1) forward and a stabilised mounting aft with a coaxial 40mm GL (Mk 96 Mod 0) aft.






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