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#1181 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 23 January 2019 - 0313 AM

Sorry, im not great with the Leopard 1. I will say its obviously one of the first production tanks, since it seemingly lacks the RMG as was fitted to the first examples. But thats as far as im willing to commit myself!


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Posted 23 January 2019 - 0507 AM

The RMG was only fitted to a handful of mid-development prototypes (not the first and not the last few prototypes). The Leopard 1 in the tests was the original model without any "A + number" suffix.


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Posted 23 January 2019 - 0513 AM

I knew I should have left 'obviously' out, because there is nothing obvious about early Leopard tanks I can get my head around. :)


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Posted 23 January 2019 - 1034 AM

I knew I should have left 'obviously' out, because there is nothing obvious about early Leopard tanks I can get my head around. :)

 

no side skirts, the thinner turret (A2 is notably thicker, A3 and A4 are welded) no applique armour. that is basically it for the barebones "A0".

 

Added on night vision and/or new radios got their own Ax Ay designators.


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Posted 23 January 2019 - 1344 PM

I wish you guys had stuck with 'Ausf' designations, now that I could understand. :)

Iranian Chieftains.


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Posted 23 January 2019 - 1604 PM

I wish you guys had stuck with 'Ausf' designations, now that I could understand. :)

Iranian Chieftains.

youtube.com/watch?v=0Ol6VBx0kX8

 

Panzerkampfwagen IV Ausführung F2 is just as complicated. ;)

 

 

Too bad my Farsi skills are a bit rusted. Fascinating, that they keep their cold warhorses running.


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Posted 23 January 2019 - 1806 PM

I wish you guys had stuck with 'Ausf' designations, now that I could understand. :)

Iranian Chieftains.

 

Good to see the Chieftains get some love :)

 

Were the Iranians able to get parts for them from the West after the end of the cold war?


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Posted 24 January 2019 - 0259 AM

Not that im aware of. We WERE supplying the Iraqi's with some bit whilst they were in the war with Iran, to repair captured ones. Im not sure why, its not as if they ever seemed to use them for anything but internal security work. As it happened, Britain was, due to some obscure rule, able to supply parts that would enable them to go, but not parts that would enable them to fight. So you could sell a new engine or gearbox, but not a new gun or ammunition. Go figure.

 

There was a very good BBC documentary about 1992 called 'Please God, dont let peace break out' all about the Armaments industry, and on the VDS stand at a trade show the Iranian delegation were VERY interested in information on the L30 gun. I got the impression they were investigating the possibility of retrofitting their chieftains with L30's, as we had once planned to do with ours. But even if it was a serious inquiry, nothing came of that either. Unsurprisingly.


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Posted 24 January 2019 - 1239 PM

Not that im aware of. We WERE supplying the Iraqi's with some bit whilst they were in the war with Iran, to repair captured ones. Im not sure why, its not as if they ever seemed to use them for anything but internal security work. As it happened, Britain was, due to some obscure rule, able to supply parts that would enable them to go, but not parts that would enable them to fight. So you could sell a new engine or gearbox, but not a new gun or ammunition. Go figure.

 

 

simple: weapons embargo.


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Posted 24 January 2019 - 1245 PM

Indeed, but providing spare parts for a tank, which is after all a weapon, is somewhat breaking the spirit if not the rules.


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Posted 24 January 2019 - 1617 PM

Indeed, but providing spare parts for a tank, which is after all a weapon, is somewhat breaking the spirit if not the rules.

 

Lawyering is all about finding the cracks and gaps in rules set.


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Posted 03 February 2019 - 0458 AM

https://youtu.be/3sklkqjZ8KU

Very interesting footage showing a Chieftain driving simulator.
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Posted 03 February 2019 - 0513 AM

Thats a really great film, thank you for that.

 

There is some photographs of this simulator in the book George Forty did on he Chieftain. Ive a vague memory the RAF used something similar for low flying training.


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Posted 04 April 2019 - 1507 PM

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Challenger, interesting how this all changed(if it's changed) during serial production


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Posted 04 April 2019 - 2240 PM

Just for fun...Iraqi Chieftains...

 

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Posted 10 April 2019 - 0705 AM

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and about weld on CR1


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Posted 12 April 2019 - 1708 PM

Just for fun...Iraqi Chieftains...

 

 

Two Chieftains that were rehabbed for the PMU in Iraq:

 

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Posted 13 April 2019 - 1045 AM

Im starting to get extremely misty eyed here.

 

Wonder if they can get ammunition from Iran?


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Posted 13 April 2019 - 1212 PM

Im starting to get extremely misty eyed here.

 

Wonder if they can get ammunition from Iran?

 

Sadly, in terms of equipment captured from Iran in 1980-88 that was revived to fight IS/Daesh, Sparky's beloved M113 did more than the 2 Chieftain gun tanks plus 1 ARV converted to a minsweeper did.  The reactivated M113s actually saw combat, whereas the engine problems than have dogged the Chieftain its entire life plus upgrade creep meant it saw no combat service.

 

Iran has supplied ammunition for these two tanks, from what I understand.

 

Frankly, I'd like to make these two tanks into running museum pieces, one staying in Iraq and another coming to the US.


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