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#1 JWB

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Posted 06 April 2017 - 1944 PM

USA declares war.


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Posted 06 April 2017 - 2149 PM

IMO, WW1 is wot started the USA on the path of superpower status. Spanish-American War put USA in Great Power status.


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Posted 07 April 2017 - 0232 AM

The latter was much earlier, IMHO.


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Posted 07 April 2017 - 0318 AM

Maybe a decade or two after the Civil War?
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Posted 07 April 2017 - 0342 AM

US had a considerable influence in much of Latin/South America even before the civil war, won the war against Mexico (and that wasn't some 'shithole' then). Before that there were debates where to expand - North or South. It means that the US felt strong enough to act as a Great Power (and did so), and the question was not 'if' but 'how'. It was the US that basically forced Japan, a country an ocean away, to open up for international trade in the 1850s.

 

Pretty 'greatpowerish', IMHO.


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#6 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 07 April 2017 - 0434 AM

The Spanish/American war. That was the point when they stopped being isolationist and started acting on the world stage according to their interests.

 

OTOH, if you want to look at it from an economic perspective, the tipping point was probably a good decade or two earlier. Thats how they could afford the fleet in the first place. WW1 was significant, but I think it arguably just put the seal on what was already happening.


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Posted 07 April 2017 - 0622 AM

The Spanish/American war. That was the point when they stopped being isolationist and started acting on the world stage according to their interests.

 

OTOH, if you want to look at it from an economic perspective, the tipping point was probably a good decade or two earlier. Thats how they could afford the fleet in the first place. WW1 was significant, but I think it arguably just put the seal on what was already happening.

 

Let us not forget the idea of Manifest Destiny: the spread westward, that was not stopped by the Pacific Ocean. 

 

Commodore Perry's 'visit' to Japan.

 

The Great White Fleet 1907-1909: a classic example of demonstrating power projection: and much better than Russia's attempt ,in the Russo-Japanese War, remembering of course that the treaty in that conflict was brokered by the USA with the Treaty of Portsmouth (that is Portsmouth, New Hampshire, not Portsmouth UK).


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Posted 08 April 2017 - 0227 AM

 

The Spanish/American war. That was the point when they stopped being isolationist and started acting on the world stage according to their interests.

 

OTOH, if you want to look at it from an economic perspective, the tipping point was probably a good decade or two earlier. Thats how they could afford the fleet in the first place. WW1 was significant, but I think it arguably just put the seal on what was already happening.

 

Let us not forget the idea of Manifest Destiny: the spread westward, that was not stopped by the Pacific Ocean. 

 

Commodore Perry's 'visit' to Japan.

 

The Great White Fleet 1907-1909: a classic example of demonstrating power projection: and much better than Russia's attempt ,in the Russo-Japanese War, remembering of course that the treaty in that conflict was brokered by the USA with the Treaty of Portsmouth (that is Portsmouth, New Hampshire, not Portsmouth UK).

 

Indeed. Which is why I dont think the current anti globalisation trend will continue. Its actually in direct contrast with America's foundation. After all, without Globalisation, you would have had no cowboys. Much of that cattle was heading to Britain and Europe on freezer ships.


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Posted 08 April 2017 - 0232 AM

 

 

The Spanish/American war. That was the point when they stopped being isolationist and started acting on the world stage according to their interests.

 

OTOH, if you want to look at it from an economic perspective, the tipping point was probably a good decade or two earlier. Thats how they could afford the fleet in the first place. WW1 was significant, but I think it arguably just put the seal on what was already happening.

 

Let us not forget the idea of Manifest Destiny: the spread westward, that was not stopped by the Pacific Ocean. 

 

Commodore Perry's 'visit' to Japan.

 

The Great White Fleet 1907-1909: a classic example of demonstrating power projection: and much better than Russia's attempt ,in the Russo-Japanese War, remembering of course that the treaty in that conflict was brokered by the USA with the Treaty of Portsmouth (that is Portsmouth, New Hampshire, not Portsmouth UK).

 

Indeed. Which is why I dont think the current anti globalisation trend will continue. Its actually in direct contrast with America's foundation. After all, without Globalisation, you would have had no cowboys. Much of that cattle was heading to Britain and Europe on freezer ships.

 

 

Globalism ==/== Imperialism

 

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#10 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 08 April 2017 - 0240 AM

You say that like its a bad thing Jason. :D

 

Even America was an Empire of course. A small one, a reluctant one perhaps, but still one all the same.


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Posted 08 April 2017 - 0309 AM

You say that like its a bad thing Jason. :D

 

Even America was an Empire of course. A small one, a reluctant one perhaps, but still one all the same.

 

America was of course an empire, no disagreement. And at some level, is an empire today, or at least, the word has been applied to the US today. I just think that globalization we see today is different than what an empire really is. Fairly large amounts of relative power can transfer around between different nations via economics and soft power with sovereignty boundaries not put under threat. And competition between nations hardly taps into armed forces and mostly occurs in diplomacy, industry, economics, media, etc., and competition is not really conducted so much for the sake of one's nation but with a high degree of motivation not stemming from nationalism but from other motivational things like simple greed for money, passion for a certain industry, etc. If a nation is very good in those non-military areas, then they can still collect quite a bundle of relative power regardless of their military strength and regardless of level of domestic nationalism, although of course some forms of power will still be unavailable to them. In an imperialistic world, especially the one that existed from the start of the industrial revolution up until the end of WW2, military strength was critical for survival, and nationalism was very high in each of the competing powers.


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Posted 08 April 2017 - 1015 AM

Maybe a decade or two after the Civil War?

 

By the time of the CW the British Empire considered the USA a major power. Big enough not to be able to defend Canada from them and a potential nightmare on Imperial trade. Fully industrialized, huge coastline by not dependant on imports. 


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