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#41 shep854

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Posted 18 December 2018 - 2312 PM

Given the accounts of Forts having to belly in with the ball gunner trapped in a jammed turret, that might have saved a life or two.
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#42 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 19 December 2018 - 0259 AM

Reducing drag was certainly one benefit. There was one raid the B24's did (Ive a feeling it was Ploesti, but I cant swear to it) and they were so low on fuel for the journey, they were instructed to wind in the ball turrets except when they were needed.

 

They also pulled them from USAAF doing agent drops in Europe on behalf of the OSS. In that case its probably at least partly due to the inability to see underneath the aircraft against the dark background below. A pity they didnt have anything like Village Inn strapped to it, but that would have been incredibly bulky.


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Posted 19 December 2018 - 0536 AM

This one looks quite smaller than the underside ball turret.


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Posted 19 December 2018 - 1105 AM

This one looks quite smaller than the underside ball turret.

 

Bigger, it's probably half again as large.


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Posted 20 December 2018 - 1206 PM

Thought this was interesting, a company just down the road from me making components using new technology to restore a Hawker Typhoon. Again, made just down the road from me.

 

https://www.renishaw...aircraft--39772

 

Meanwhile the RAF Museum get the last surviving complete one back from Canada. Only has 9 hours on the clock....

http://warbirdsnews....eum-london.html


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Posted 20 December 2018 - 1712 PM

Wartime film--Penguin's lighting them up!


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Posted 22 December 2018 - 1352 PM

Incidentally, if anyone is interested in recovering crashed aircraft, there is a new book out by After the Battle Publications called 'Wreck Recovery in Britain'. Well worth getting, particularly illuminating on the legal disputes over the right to dig crashed aircraft.

 

https://www.afterthe...troller=product


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Posted 22 December 2018 - 1716 PM

Dad was a WAG in the RCAF. He tells of flying out over the sea in Wellingtons with the turret fully rotated and the doors open. Nothing but air between him and the deep blue sea. They were looking for U-boats. Iirc he said the tail gunner didn't wear a parachute. It had to be retrieved and attached if needed.

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Posted 22 December 2018 - 1800 PM

wrong thread


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Posted 22 December 2018 - 1945 PM

wrong thread

Given the diversion into WWII turrets, a good post. :)


Edited by shep854, 22 December 2018 - 1950 PM.

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#51 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 23 December 2018 - 0301 AM

Dad was a WAG in the RCAF. He tells of flying out over the sea in Wellingtons with the turret fully rotated and the doors open. Nothing but air between him and the deep blue sea. They were looking for U-boats. Iirc he said the tail gunner didn't wear a parachute. It had to be retrieved and attached if needed.

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Ah, the dear old Wimpney.

 

 

Speaking of which I was reading a new book I bought wreck recovery in England, and back in 2002 they managed to pull half of one out of a beach in the Isle of Lewis. Which about trippled the surviving wellington population overnight.

http://news.bbc.co.u...and/2094410.stm

 

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Edited by Stuart Galbraith, 23 December 2018 - 0303 AM.

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Posted 23 December 2018 - 1248 PM

These guys are building a reconstruction (seems unfair to call it a replica) of a BF109K4, a previously extinct example of the line.

http://www.arsenal-45.de/home_e.html

 

 

 


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Posted 30 December 2018 - 1310 PM

2 Mitsubish Betty's have been recovered from the Solomon Islands.

http://warbirdsnews....at-balalae.html


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Posted 03 January 2019 - 1023 AM

There's a Betty in Japan that has under went some degree of restoration, even if it lacks the main wings.

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http://upholstery1.r...80/all_p22.html

 

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http://uenoshing.hat...15/08/18/174249


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Posted 04 January 2019 - 0209 AM

I would like to see the remains of those 2 G4Ms sent to Japan, not to Australia for unknown purposes.


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Posted 04 January 2019 - 0252 AM

Well if they are going to Aus, it likely means they will eventually be going to America for the warbird scene.  So who knows, we may see one fly again.

 

In the end, they have been sat there 70 odd years. If Japan really wanted them, they could easily have bought them at any point since the war.

 

Thanks for that Jason.


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Posted 04 January 2019 - 1319 PM

https://ww2aircraft....7/#post-1451973

XP-82 flies again.

 

 

From the EAA:

On December 31, 2018, the XP-82 Twin Mustang flew for the first time since December 14, 1949. But the restored aircraft wasn’t supposed to fly that day. The original plan was to do the last FAA required runway high-speed taxi test, lift off for a second or two, touch back down, deploy full flaps, and brake to a stop. It accelerated so fast after the planned liftoff that test pilot Ray Fowler, EAA 229470, realized that getting it back down and stopping it in the remaining runway would be risky. So, he pushed the power back up and flew for about five minutes. There are virtually no photos of this flight as it was not expected to happen.


The unexpected and dramatic acceleration of the XP-82 at 55 inches of manifold pressure occurred because it was approaching three times the horsepower of a single-engine Mustang at only about 1 1/2 times the weight. The XP-82 has 1,860 hp on each side for a total of 3,720 hp — the P-51 has 1,500 hp. The XP-82 weighs 14,700 pounds compared to 9,500 pounds for the P-51.


The very short gear-down flight showed zero airframe squawks, it flew hands-off with no trim required, and all engine temperatures and pressures were normal.


“This wonderful test flight came after a 10 1/2-year restoration encompassing 207,000 labor hours,” said owner and restorer Tom Reilly, EAA 802376. “Many thanks to Ray and all of the men and women that made this restoration possible.”


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Posted 04 January 2019 - 1333 PM

Incidentally, I saw this one flying the other day. Very pleased, never seen a Beech 18 in the tin before.


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Posted 04 January 2019 - 1425 PM

I would be in support of efforts to return a G4M to flying condition in collaboration with the Japanese aviation enthusiast community. I would not be in support of the trafficking of war relics to members of the warbird collecting/salvage community in other countries willing to pay top dollar for them.


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Posted 04 January 2019 - 2130 PM

I would be in support of efforts to return a G4M to flying condition in collaboration with the Japanese aviation enthusiast community. I would not be in support of the trafficking of war relics to members of the warbird collecting/salvage community in other countries willing to pay top dollar for them.

Restoration is incredibly expensive.  It would be wonderful if Japanese enthusiasts step up.  I have absolutely no doubt that the talent and skill is there. :)


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