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#301 Nobu

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Posted 24 June 2019 - 0216 AM

Now might be a good time to make sure of the whereabouts of Nayirah, as testimony along the lines of catching Iranians in the act of throwing babies out of incubators would be opportune in some quarters right now.


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#302 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 24 June 2019 - 0247 AM

Well, it may be the last chance to follow this good old tradition before Prime Minister Corbyn!

 

Im reminded of an Episode of 'Have I got news for you' back in 1993, where they described George Bush's Somalia operation as 'Operation Drop Clinton in it'. Maybe this is just a cunning plan to turn Corbyn into a militarist by dropping us into another unending middle east war. Lets seem him kiss and hug his way out of that one. :D


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#303 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 24 June 2019 - 0437 AM

https://www.njherald...24/AP/306249947

 

DUBAI, United Arab Emirates (AP) — U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo arrived Monday in Saudi Arabia in a hastily arranged visit amid mounting tensions between Washington and Tehran as Iran's navy chief warned Iranian forces wouldn't hesitate to shoot down more U.S. surveillance drones from their skies.

The downing of the drone, valued at more than $100 million, saw the United States pull back from the brink of a military strike on Iran after President Donald Trump last week called off strikes in retaliation.

Iran's naval commander, Rear Adm. Hossein Khanzadi, threatened Washington, saying that Tehran is capable of shooting down other American spy drones that violate Iranian airspace.

"We confidently say that the crushing response can always be repeated, and the enemy knows it," Khanzadi was quoted as saying by the semi-official Tasnim news agency during a meeting with a group of defense officials.

Tensions have been mounting since Trump last year withdrew the U.S. from a global nuclear deal with Iran and began pressuring Tehran with economic sanctions. A fresh round of Iran sanctions is to be announced Monday in a bid to force the Iranian leadership into talks. Iran has decried the U.S. sanctions, which essentially bar Iran from selling its oil internationally, as "economic terrorism."

Pompeo, considered a hard-liner in the Trump administration, is expected to meet with Saudi King Salman and Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman in the Saudi city of Jiddah, before heading to Abu Dhabi, the United Arab Emirates, another close U.S. ally and partner.

Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates are alarmed by Iran's military reach and are working to limit its influence in the region.

On the eve of Pompeo's visit to the kingdom, Yemen's Iranian-allied rebels attacked a Saudi airport near the Saudi-Yemen border, killing a Syrian resident and wounding 21 other civilians, the Saudi military said.

The Houthi rebels claimed they used bomb-laden drones in the attack on the Abha airport, the second in less than two weeks.

Saudi Arabia has been at war with the rebel Houthis in Yemen for more than four years. The Houthis say the attacks targeting the kingdom are a response to relentless Saudi airstrikes on Yemen that have killed thousands.

Before his departure to the kingdom, Pompeo said he wants to build a global coalition against Iran.

 

"We'll be talking with them about how to make sure that we are all strategically aligned, and how we can build out a global coalition, a coalition not only throughout the Gulf states, but in Asia and in Europe, that understands this challenge as it is prepared to push back against the world's largest state sponsor of terror," Pompeo said about Iran.


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#304 glenn239

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Posted 24 June 2019 - 0758 AM

Well I dont know about business, but Im certainly seeing increasingly little return. If by some miracle we knock Iran off its pedestal, is it going to be peace and stability in the region? No, not really. So why are we bothering? Let the Sauds deal with them, who knows, after Yemen they might have figured out how to use their shiny toys.

 

 

Was reading one source today claiming that the UK is evaluating any possible request for a joint airstrikes on Iran. Clearly the Foreign office hasnt learned a goddamned thing from 2003.

 

The key in the Middle East is that since 1991 in every crisis the US is in a worse position than it was in the previous crisis.  Now, it has two unresolved situations along the Euphrates and in Afghanistan, and the geographical keys to managing these, (Iran, Russia, Pakistan) have all been alienated from the US to one extent or another.

 

The US has to pick its battles better.  It can't be running around from the Baltic States in an arc through Eurasia all the way to Korea.  Trump quipped on the weekend that if Bolton was calling the shots the US would be taking on the entire world all at once.  They need to force the Saudis to end the Yemen War moreso than threaten to leave them to play with the Iranians alone.  Putin can help the US broker a deal with Iran, but Putin does not do anything without a price. 

 

Iran should set one precondition for talks with the US -  Bolton has to go.  


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#305 Ken Estes

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Posted 24 June 2019 - 1312 PM

More amateur hour. The Gulf States hardly work together, will not likely unite under the leadersleep of Pompeo, Kushner or the next-in-line defense secretary.

 

Why must anything be done about Iran? Patrol the sea lanes and ignore them. The USN needs training in navigation, not combat. Cut a trade deal if you believe there is any capability to show the carrot vice the stick. The Great Leader seems proud to crush their economy, as if they will agree to unconditional surrender. More amateurs, please! Also be sure to ignore history, even contemporary history. 

 

Do we still think a businessman makes a great national leader? How are we doing so far....


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#306 rmgill

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Posted 24 June 2019 - 1342 PM

 

Well I dont know about business, but Im certainly seeing increasingly little return. If by some miracle we knock Iran off its pedestal, is it going to be peace and stability in the region? No, not really. So why are we bothering? Let the Sauds deal with them, who knows, after Yemen they might have figured out how to use their shiny toys.

 

 

Was reading one source today claiming that the UK is evaluating any possible request for a joint airstrikes on Iran. Clearly the Foreign office hasnt learned a goddamned thing from 2003.

 

The key in the Middle East is that since 1991 in every crisis the US is in a worse position than it was in the previous crisis.  Now, it has two unresolved situations along the Euphrates and in Afghanistan, and the geographical keys to managing these, (Iran, Russia, Pakistan) have all been alienated from the US to one extent or another.

 

The US has to pick its battles better.  It can't be running around from the Baltic States in an arc through Eurasia all the way to Korea.  Trump quipped on the weekend that if Bolton was calling the shots the US would be taking on the entire world all at once.  They need to force the Saudis to end the Yemen War moreso than threaten to leave them to play with the Iranians alone.  Putin can help the US broker a deal with Iran, but Putin does not do anything without a price. 

 

Iran should set one precondition for talks with the US -  Bolton has to go.  

 



The only reason the Mideast hasn't gotten better is that the region has power by way of what people need and money to throw around growing their societies without ever trying to fix those problems. If they were a resource poor third world nation it woudn't be much of an issue. If it was small villages with a few thousand residents it wouldn't be a problem. It's large massive cities with all of the population that western technology and development brings. 

When it was the 1800s and their level of tech allowed them to sail around and prey on lightly manned civilian ships it was as bad as they got. All of those problems magnified by the advantages modern technology brings them hasn't changed the nature of the problem. Just the number of people they can affect. 

Somehow getting them out of tribal thinking and Islamic radical ways of dealing with the world is the challenge. Until THOSE issues are addressed they're going to continue bleeding. 

 

So as far as I can tell, the problem isn't new, it's just bigger. It's still the exact same problem that got the US into it's first overseas war. 


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Posted 24 June 2019 - 1354 PM

UAV pilot must have been an inter-service transfer from the USMC... (I know, I know, it's a joke). 

 

Sources say downed UAV penetrated deep into Iranian airspace

 
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#308 Rick

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Posted 24 June 2019 - 1552 PM

More amateur hour. The Gulf States hardly work together, will not likely unite under the leadersleep of Pompeo, Kushner or the next-in-line defense secretary.

 

Why must anything be done about Iran? Patrol the sea lanes and ignore them. The USN needs training in navigation, not combat. Cut a trade deal if you believe there is any capability to show the carrot vice the stick. The Great Leader seems proud to crush their economy, as if they will agree to unconditional surrender. More amateurs, please! Also be sure to ignore history, even contemporary history. 

 

Do we still think a businessman makes a great national leader? How are we doing so far....

...Compared to whom?


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#309 Tim the Tank Nut

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Posted 24 June 2019 - 1633 PM

compared to no one

this isn't the FFZ this is General Naval and Air.

The serious forums need to be treated accordingly (well, maybe not the Kiev is Burning thread)

 

 

Is it safe to assume that the drones have a "black box" assembly?


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#310 Tim the Tank Nut

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Posted 24 June 2019 - 1637 PM

the duffelblog is satire

 

got it,

accidentally took if for serious for a second...


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#311 rmgill

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Posted 24 June 2019 - 2025 PM

Lighten up will ya!  :)

If anything is going to separate the right from the left it's that we still have principles AND a sense of humor. 


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#312 Josh

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Posted 24 June 2019 - 2045 PM

 
Is it safe to assume that the drones have a "black box" assembly?


Presumably something, but also it would have been datalinking on link 16 to the P-8 and any other USN unit up until interception. It would also have been in radar range of several different countries. The Iranians claim it was not squawking with a civilian transponder code but if it did it would share its position with any ATC in the area.
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Posted 24 June 2019 - 2252 PM

the duffelblog is satire

 

got it,

accidentally took if for serious for a second...

 

:D


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Posted 25 June 2019 - 0147 AM

If it had been real, the drawing of the penis would have been WAY sharper. Just saying....

 

Well, thats the end of discussions according to this.

https://www.telegrap...ure-diplomatic/

Iran said on Tuesday US sanctions on its leaders represent the "permanent closure" of diplomacy with Washington, after President Donald Trump tightened the screws on a nation he has threatened with "obliteration".

"Imposing fruitless sanctions against Iran's supreme leader and the commander of Iran's diplomacy is the permanent closure of the path to diplomacy with Trump's desperate government," ministry spokesman Abbas Mousavi said in a tweet.

Washington imposed new sanctions against supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei Monday ahead of blacklisting Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif later this week, its latest salvo in a tense standoff that has raised fears of a regional conflict.

"Trump's government is destroying all established international mechanisms for keeping global peace and security," he added.

Tehran and Washington broke off diplomatic relations in 1980 over the hostage crisis at the US embassy in Tehran following Iran's Islamic revolution.

US President Donald Trump also imposed new sanctions Monday against top Iranian military chiefs, pressuring the country it has threatened with "obliteration" if a war breaks out.

The US Treasury said it plans to blacklist Iran's Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif - a moderate figure and key architect of the 2015 Iran nuclear deal - and eight top commanders from Iran's Revolutionary Guards.

 

Trump called the punitive measures "a strong and proportionate response to Iran's increasingly provocative actions."


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Posted 25 June 2019 - 0213 AM

https://news.sky.com...tehran-11747974

Russia says it will counter "illegal" sanctions Donald Trump plans to impose on Iran after the downing of a US drone.

Deputy foreign minister Sergei Ryabkov has not revealed what steps Russia would take in response to the measures taken by Donald Trump aimed at stopping the country from obtaining nuclear weapons.

 

Mr Ryabkov has said sanctions would increase tensions and that Washington should instead be seeking dialogue with Tehran, according to Russian news agencies.

Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said the measures set to be imposed on the Middle Eastern country are illegal.


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Posted 25 June 2019 - 0503 AM

Iran ambassador to Japan accuses the US of conducting the attack on the two tankers. Conspiracy theorists probably like this one.

TOKYO (Kyodo) -- Iran's ambassador to Japan on Monday accused the United States of being behind the attacks on oil tankers near the Strait of Hormuz earlier this month, in an effort to paint his country as a villain.

"We strongly condemn the attacks," Morteza Rahmani Movahed told a press conference in Tokyo. "We believe the United States and several other countries that do not want to see peace and stability in the Middle East are responsible."

Rahmani said the attacks were aimed at "destabilizing the political situation in the region and spreading a sense of distrust in Iran," refuting claims by Washington that the Iranian military's elite Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps was responsible for the June 13 attacks.

The attacks on a pair of oil tankers, one of which was operated by a Japanese company, unfolded as Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe was visiting Tehran in a bid to ease friction between Iran and the United States.

Tensions flared again last week after the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps shot down a U.S. surveillance drone.

U.S. President Donald Trump said in an interview with NBC over the weekend that he does not want a war with Iran, and that he is willing to meet with the country's leadership without preconditions.

But Rahmani called the overture an "act of deception" that cannot be trusted. "If President Trump is truly sincere, the United States should return to the nuclear deal and lift its sanctions," he said at the Japan National Press Club.

Iran has halted some of its commitments under the 2015 nuclear agreement with world powers, saying it will exceed the limit on its low-enriched uranium stockpile on Thursday, in response to the United States pulling out of the deal last year and reinstating powerful sanctions on its oil exports.

But Rahmani said his country remains committed to the agreement as long as other countries hold up their end of the bargain.

"Why should such an internationally crucial agreement rest solely on Iran's shoulders? If the international community does not want the deal to fall apart, it has to come up with concrete steps to save it," he said.

https://mainichi.jp/...00m/0in/031000c
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#317 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 25 June 2019 - 0511 AM

Thats right, because the US REALLY NEEDS attacks on 2 tankers for Iran to be seen as a villain. Up to that point they were seen as purer than the driven snow by the entire world :D

 

You know, I may have misgivings about the current American administration, but its regrettable nobody stops to think about the mentality and intelligence of the current Iranian regime. They make Trump's Administration look positively mensa level. A case in point.

 

https://www.thelondo...retarded/25/06/

 

 Iranian President Hassan Rouhani dismissed new U.S. sanctions on Iran’s Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei and described the White House as “mentally retarded”, an insult Iran has used in the past about President Donald Trump.

In a speech broadcast live on state television, Rouhani said sanctions against Khamenei would fail because he had no assets abroad. Rouhani described the latest round of sanctions as a sign of U.S. desperation.

“The White House actions mean it is mentally retarded,” he said “Tehran’s strategic patience does not mean we have fear.”

 

U.S. President Donald Trump on Monday signed an executive order that would impose fresh sanctions on Iran, amid increased tensions between the long-time foes.

Trump initially told reporters the sanctions, which will target Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei and his office, were in response to Tehran’s downing of a U.S. drone last week. Tehran has said the drone was flying in its airspace, which Washington has denied.

Later, Trump said the sanctions would have been imposed regardless of the incident over the drone.


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Posted 25 June 2019 - 0537 AM

I think you failed to support your claim that the lying moron administration looks smart compared to the Iranians.

 

That last line rather points at the lying moron being, well, a moron.

Who else but a moron would say such a thing?

 

And sanctions? They already pretty much maxed out what harm they can inflict through sanctions. Sounds like they ran out of ideas.


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Posted 25 June 2019 - 0610 AM

Step 1: destroy the Iran deal.

Step 2: ....

Step 3: profit!
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Posted 25 June 2019 - 0632 AM

I think you failed to support your claim that the lying moron administration looks smart compared to the Iranians.

 

That last line rather points at the lying moron being, well, a moron.

Who else but a moron would say such a thing?

 

And sanctions? They already pretty much maxed out what harm they can inflict through sanctions. Sounds like they ran out of ideas.

 

Not smart. Smarter. Lets not get carried away here.

 

He just called the entire white house mentally retarded. Even in the worst of Twitter fits, Trump hasnt gone THAT far.


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