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#6281 Roman Alymov

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Posted 24 November 2019 - 0630 AM

Article by Yuri Pasholok (in English) about pre-war trails of PzIII in USSR worth reading

https://warspot.ru/1...LkTstwPVH2MFeX0


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#6282 Gavin-Phillips

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Posted 24 November 2019 - 0728 AM

Article by Yuri Pasholok (in English) about pre-war trails of PzIII in USSR worth reading

https://warspot.ru/1...LkTstwPVH2MFeX0

 

Makes for some very interesting reading!  

 

I've lost count of the amount of times I've had to tell people that the Soviets also have their own R&D teams and don't simply "copy everything made in the West", so to read something from accounts by staff made at the time is really refreshing to be honest.  Another surprise to me was how few Pz III's were available at the time, I was under the impression that the numbers even by then would have been much larger than that (even if they were the earlier variants with the 37mm cannon).


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#6283 Mikel2

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Posted 24 November 2019 - 0732 AM

Very interesting.
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#6284 TTK Ciar

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Posted 24 November 2019 - 1219 PM

Fascinating reading. Thank you for sharing it!

The bit about German armor being "brittle" caught my attention. Was the German notion to harden armor sufficiently to avoid deformation from lower-caliber hits and shell fragments at the cost of greater vulnerability to large-bore threats? Or were they just optimizing it for a particular threat other than Soviet 45mm? Or did they just screw up their metallurgy?
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#6285 Harkonnen

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Posted 24 November 2019 - 1549 PM

Testing ERA vs BM42 and BM22 with 80-60% decrees of penetration.

It is not just a research article, this design is in use on one of the russian vechicles. 

 

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Without ERA top left.

 

http://btvt.info/5li...991_11_vdz2.htm


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Posted 24 November 2019 - 1625 PM

Which tank has this particular ERA design?
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#6287 Stefan Kotsch

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Posted 26 November 2019 - 1231 PM

Which tank has this particular ERA design?

Which "particular ERA design"?  The journal article to the photos is from the year 1991.

 

If so, then this knowledge is really realized at ERA RELIKT, in parts already at KONTAKT-V , i think


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Posted 27 November 2019 - 0422 AM

 

Which tank has this particular ERA design?

Which "particular ERA design"?  The journal article to the photos is from the year 1991.

 

If so, then this knowledge is really realized at ERA RELIKT, in parts already at KONTAKT-V , i think

 

 

The ERA design detailed in this paper matches Kontakt-5 in the operating principle, but it does not exactly match Kontakt-5 on either the T-72/90 or the T-80.


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Posted 27 November 2019 - 0729 AM

Jim Warford

 

i remember you asked about this T-72A

 

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here what it look like before it was destroyed

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#6290 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 27 November 2019 - 0818 AM

Isnt that the T72's that were ambushed on the first foray into Grozny? The semi official one?


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Posted 27 November 2019 - 0835 AM

Isnt that the T72's that were ambushed on the first foray into Grozny? The semi official one?

yes 1994

 

question was IIRC about these tank's not T-72A

 

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but it's T-72A with new type of hull front armor


Edited by Wiedzmin, 27 November 2019 - 1256 PM.

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Posted 27 November 2019 - 1248 PM

Isnt that the T72's that were ambushed on the first foray into Grozny? The semi official one?

 

Yes, yesterday was the 25th anniversary of that first assault - officially carried out by Chechen opposition. There were a few photos about it in VK social network.


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#6293 Jim Warford

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Posted 28 November 2019 - 2230 PM

 

Isnt that the T72's that were ambushed on the first foray into Grozny? The semi official one?

yes 1994

 

question was IIRC about these tank's not T-72A

 

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but it's T-72A with new type of hull front armor

 

 

Wiedzmin; thanks for the photos! IIRC, my initial question wasn't about the tank on top, but the hull remnant on the bottom with the exposed glacis. These photos confirm that the remnant is a T-72B...five layers all steel.      


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#6294 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 29 November 2019 - 0317 AM

 

Isnt that the T72's that were ambushed on the first foray into Grozny? The semi official one?

 

Yes, yesterday was the 25th anniversary of that first assault - officially carried out by Chechen opposition. There were a few photos about it in VK social network.

 

 

 

The alternative narrative is in the Osprey book by Mark Galeotti on the Chechen war. I wont bore with repeating it, other than its worth reading.

 

There was a really good book about the Chechen war called 'The Sky Wept Fire', and it sounds horrific. The remains of one of the crew could be seen draped in a nearby tree.


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#6295 Wiedzmin

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Posted 29 November 2019 - 0616 AM

 

 

 

 

 

Wiedzmin; thanks for the photos! IIRC, my initial question wasn't about the tank on top, but the hull remnant on the bottom with the exposed glacis. These photos confirm that the remnant is a T-72B...five layers all steel.      

 

T-72B have different hull front 

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but i still trying to find video before all these tanks were destroyed 


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#6296 Jim Warford

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Posted 29 November 2019 - 1237 PM

Wiedzmin; over the years, there have been reports that the glacis array on the T-72B has varied with all steel layers being the common denominator. IMO, both of those exposed glacis armor arrays belong to the T-72B.     


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Posted 30 November 2019 - 0411 AM

Arena-M trials, 

 

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protective ammunition can change flight path(turn on the threat switching on impulse engine), according to the developer, allegedly he can attack Javelin alike ATGM's...

 

https://youtu.be/9DyiR3eDAiU

 

23:40 and further 


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Posted 30 November 2019 - 0544 AM

It's good to have confirmation that the cassettes really have the capability to turn in mid-air. There was really no other explanation for the new position of the cassette launchers on Arena-M.


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