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#1 Inhapi

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Posted 19 May 2015 - 2212 PM

What was in your opinion the best tank of WWI,

 

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Posted 19 May 2015 - 2335 PM

Best at what task and best at what location?
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Posted 20 May 2015 - 0205 AM

True enough,

 

lets say in the heavyly cratered western front, thow in some mud.

and carriing at least a light gun.

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Posted 20 May 2015 - 0252 AM

There were not that many tank types, really, but I would say with regards to WWI logistics and other realities, Renault FT would be the best available combination.

 

But all in all, there is seldom "the best" - TANSTAAFL, Rhomboids would be better for crossing trenches, French tanks for their powerful gun... etc.


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Posted 20 May 2015 - 0324 AM

 I agree the rhomboids best for crossing heavy terrain. But i Always wondered for all its good points wether the FT was suitable for the task of crossing terrain and (widened) trenches at the western front

 

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Posted 27 May 2015 - 1258 PM

The FT series was the first modern tank.  Everything that came after was derivative in some way.  The FT17 and 18 series represented the best of the Great War tanks


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Posted 28 May 2015 - 1117 AM

Who besides Britain/Commonwealth (and white/red Russia) used WWI rhomboid tanks after the war? I suspect Whippets had a wider career.

 

If post war sales are an indicator of success, I guess nothing touches the FT-17. Is there a region of the world that hasn't had those at one time or another? :-)


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Posted 28 May 2015 - 1214 PM

Who besides Britain/Commonwealth (and white/red Russia) used WWI rhomboid tanks after the war? I suspect Whippets had a wider career.
 
If post war sales are an indicator of success, I guess nothing touches the FT-17. Is there a region of the world that hasn't had those at one time or another? :-)


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Posted 28 May 2015 - 1510 PM

TOG1


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Posted 28 May 2015 - 1526 PM

Who besides Britain/Commonwealth (and white/red Russia) used WWI rhomboid tanks after the war?

The USA?! Some wartime ordered rhomboid tanks were made after the war and used up during the inter war years.

Ken, how does the TOG fit into this? It was a late 30 prototype for a big trench crossing tank with a 3" gun in a turret, wasn't it?

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Posted 28 May 2015 - 1539 PM

A WW1 tank built in 1940. :P :D


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Posted 29 May 2015 - 1755 PM

How did the trench crossing ability of FT-17's or Whippets compare to the rhomboids? Did they have problems coming forward in the second wave after the rhomboids had cleared a hole through the trenches?


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Posted 29 May 2015 - 1841 PM

Rhomboid tanks and similar where niche machines and required significant support to move, etc. The FT-17 really allowed the tank to try new and different challenges and were logistically more efficient, The Whippet with turret(s) would also have been a versatile design, but lacked suspension and a reliable steering method.


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Posted 29 May 2015 - 1946 PM

Putting  a turret on top of a rhomboid [2 pdr on TOG1] does not make the tank any less rhomboid. We should also add to TOG1 (1940), the FCM Char 2C(1919), the German Grosstrakto/Neubaufahrzueg (1926ff), even the Rus T35.

 

Markus, the 3-inch turret was carried on TOG2, which had a peculiar suspension taking it out of the rhomboid class.


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Posted 29 May 2015 - 2330 PM

Ken just advancing that design to it's logical conclusion, adding turrets  is about the only thing you can do to the whippet without a major redesign.


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Posted 30 May 2015 - 1115 AM

The FT-17 may not have been able to cross a 10 foot wide trench, but try doing this with a Mk IV.

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Posted 30 May 2015 - 1341 PM

Putting  a turret on top of a rhomboid [2 pdr on TOG1] does not make the tank any less rhomboid. We should also add to TOG1 (1940), the FCM Char 2C(1919), the German Grosstrakto/Neubaufahrzueg (1926ff), even the Rus T35.
 
Markus, the 3-inch turret was carried on TOG2, which had a peculiar suspension taking it out of the rhomboid class.


So I remembered the wrong TOG. Any pics of the TOG1?
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Posted 30 May 2015 - 1859 PM

Lots to be found. The 75mm is in the hull and it is still not capable of meeting the specs for the "Land Battleship"  issued by the British Army.

 

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Posted 31 May 2015 - 1042 AM

Isn't the last one a TOG 2?

TOG2 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Posted 31 May 2015 - 1049 AM

Yeah, I think it is there because of the book :)

 

 

Which brings up memories of Ken trying to get picture of the engine deck of TOG II in Bovington, perched on the pyramid of chairs ;)


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