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#21 17thfabn

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Posted 16 September 2017 - 1148 AM

The Brits used their 25 pounder quite a bit in the anti-tank role in North Africa because most of the anti-tank guns they had were the 2 pounder, which was becoming outclassed by heavier axis armor.

 

Standard 25 pounder HE was effective against the light Italian tanks, and older German models.  The Brits developed a dedicated anti-tank projectile for the 25 pounder.. It was solid steel , weighed 20 pounds but had a higher velocity.


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Posted 16 September 2017 - 1201 PM

IIRC those shells were more effective against AFVs because the heavier casings meant larger fragments.

 

Yes, but they will also have much less velocity so net gain is unknown.



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Posted 16 September 2017 - 1239 PM

 

IIRC those shells were more effective against AFVs because the heavier casings meant larger fragments.

 

Yes, but they will also have much less velocity so net gain is unknown.

 

There is more to anti tank work than punching holes in armor. Larger heavier fragments are more effective at cutting tracks, smashing road wheels, destroying external equipment, etc. even with lower velocity. Remember velocity limit of steel projectile against steel target.



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Posted 16 September 2017 - 1335 PM

What about the concussive effects of a large calibre round impacting close by the trench/fortification where the soldiers are sheltering?  Even if the trench itself isn't hit, surely there must be some effects from the blast on the troops?



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Posted 16 September 2017 - 1517 PM

Yes, but lethal effect is only to be expected from really big calibres (203 mm and more) or really close hits if the troops are in the trench (around a corner).



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Posted 16 September 2017 - 1909 PM

The Brits used their 25 pounder quite a bit in the anti-tank role in North Africa because most of the anti-tank guns they had were the 2 pounder, which was becoming outclassed by heavier axis armor.

 

Standard 25 pounder HE was effective against the light Italian tanks, and older German models.  The Brits developed a dedicated anti-tank projectile for the 25 pounder.. It was solid steel , weighed 20 pounds but had a higher velocity.

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Posted 17 September 2017 - 0714 AM

 

The Brits used their 25 pounder quite a bit in the anti-tank role in North Africa because most of the anti-tank guns they had were the 2 pounder, which was becoming outclassed by heavier axis armor.

 

Standard 25 pounder HE was effective against the light Italian tanks, and older German models.  The Brits developed a dedicated anti-tank projectile for the 25 pounder.. It was solid steel , weighed 20 pounds but had a higher velocity.

Fired at Super Charge iinm. 

 

 

A little trivia - I read somewhere that the New Zealanders found the AP projectile worked fine vs the thinner, Japanese tanks without supercharge, therefore they never fitted muzzle brakes to their 25 pounders. I have seen pics of NZ 25 pounders in Korea with and without them fitted.






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