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#1 Colin

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Posted 13 July 2019 - 2147 PM

Just watching the ANNA videos and a lot of BMP have bit the dust. What will be the likely replacement that Russia will sell/give to allies like Syria? Do they still have large stocks of BMP 1?


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Posted 13 July 2019 - 2213 PM

John Pike estimates they still have over 12,000 vehicles (combined number for all BMP-1/2/3, can't find it broken out by specific model), as of 2015:

https://www.globalse...y-equipment.htm

I would be interested in the answer to your question as well.

It occurs to me that the Russian Army captured a lot of Ukraine-made vehicles when they invaded Georgia, but I don't know if they preserved those vehicles.
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Posted 14 July 2019 - 0131 AM

I know they have a plan to build these, but how many can they afford? https://en.wikipedia...ki/Kurganets-25


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Posted 14 July 2019 - 0207 AM

BTR82A should be sufficient for their purposes for the most part.

 

They still have large numbers of BMP1. In fact they have been giving them to the national guard to bulk them up.


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Posted 14 July 2019 - 0417 AM

It has been estimated they operate around 500 vehicles, but recently BMP-1AM has appeared, which has original turret replaced by the one from BTR-82A.
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Posted 14 July 2019 - 0539 AM

Just watching the ANNA videos and a lot of BMP have bit the dust. What will be the likely replacement that Russia will sell/give to allies like Syria? Do they still have large stocks of BMP 1?


Most likely some variant of the BMP-1 with improved firepower, and perhaps some BMP-2.
Given in bulk for major discounts.

After that, Russia may try to sell them when they have the money, some BMP-3 vehicles as they will start replacing them with Kurganets.
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Posted 15 July 2019 - 0238 AM

Just watching the ANNA videos and a lot of BMP have bit the dust. What will be the likely replacement that Russia will sell/give to allies like Syria? Do they still have large stocks of BMP 1?

 

A wheeled death trap may make more sense for Syria et al than a BMP, which was built to fight a nuclear war


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Posted 15 July 2019 - 1630 PM

It occurs to me that the Russian Army captured a lot of Ukraine-made vehicles when they invaded Georgia, but I don't know if they preserved those vehicles.

 

IIRC many of those were destroyed. I was surprised about it because it was also done with the upgraded T-72 Georgia had. These vehicles were more advanced than Russia's T-72s.

 

BTR-80/82 (which are still produced) together with BMP-1/2 from stocks would be a good option. Russia also offers BT-3F, which should be considerably cheaper than BMP-3.

 

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Posted 15 July 2019 - 1648 PM

that last on is the export replacement for btr-50?


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Posted 17 July 2019 - 1434 PM

that last on is the export replacement for btr-50?

 

I've just been reading up a bit on the BTR-3F.  Its based on the BMP-3F which is supposedly a marine version of the BMP-3.  Looking at what's been written about it (assuming that this is correct), the vehicle appears to be aimed at deployment by marines and other units where its increased amphibious capabilities will be utilised.

 

Much like the BMO-T heavy APC, will this BTR-3F be a modest production of a low number of vehicles designed for a specialised/specific requirement?


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Posted 17 July 2019 - 1537 PM

that last on is the export replacement for btr-50?

 
I've just been reading up a bit on the BTR-3F.  Its based on the BMP-3F which is supposedly a marine version of the BMP-3.  Looking at what's been written about it (assuming that this is correct), the vehicle appears to be aimed at deployment by marines and other units where its increased amphibious capabilities will be utilised.
 
Much like the BMO-T heavy APC, will this BTR-3F be a modest production of a low number of vehicles designed for a specialised/specific requirement?


Bingo. It was designed for the russian naval infantry as an APC for their purposes. It makes sense that it shares parts with the BMP-3F, but the rear engine really is not so great for an APC design. heck, the BMP-3 hull started out as a light tank hull, hence the rear engine.
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Posted 17 July 2019 - 1643 PM

It was designed for Indonesia as a simplified version of BMP-3F. I cannot think of a more economical brand new tracked IFV in Russia.

 

https://www.youtube....h?v=89s-RtcKE70


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Posted 18 July 2019 - 0440 AM

that last on is the export replacement for btr-50?

The concept of the BTR-50PK is really nothing to replace. Similar to the M113 APC.

 

The BTR-3F is probably much more than part of a vehicle concept. Such a vehicle is also found in the BMD family of the Russian airborne troops - the BTR-D or the BTR-MDM.


Edited by Stefan Kotsch, 18 July 2019 - 0441 AM.

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Posted 18 July 2019 - 1855 PM

well, i should have added de smiley  :)


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Posted 19 July 2019 - 1423 PM

... :o ... :)


Edited by Stefan Kotsch, 19 July 2019 - 1424 PM.

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Posted 21 July 2019 - 1027 AM

The only new construction IFVs at Kurganmash are BMP-3s and Kurganets-25. The latter are offered for export. Although Kurganmash has showed the front-engine BMP-3 Dragun, I do not believe it is in serial production and was a tech demonstrator for development of the Kurganets. 

 

The Russians however have many thousands of BMP-2s in service and in reserves that can be refurbished or upgraded for export customers. They themselves have committed to a small number of BMP-3Ms with digitization and the heavily modernized Berezhok turret assembly. The latter was developed by KBP Tula and uses their Kornet ATGM with a twin launcher on either side of the reworked BMP-2 turret. Kurganmash's own BMP-2 modernization uses a twin Ataka ATGM launcher instead of Kornet, probably so that they aren't dependent on their erstwhile competitor. Both now are controlled by Rostec.

 

They still have a large number of BMP-1s in service and more in reserve and have indicated they intend to upgrade some of these to BMP-1AM 'Basurmanin' standard. Basically it replaces the original 73mm turret with a modified BTR-82A one-man turret with the 2A72 cannon and PKT.

 

I am waiting for them to totally ditch the manned turret in favour of a RWS and eliminating the turret basket, like the Slovaks have done. They already field the Arbalet-DM.


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Posted 21 July 2019 - 1200 PM

I am waiting for them to totally ditch the manned turret in favour of a RWS and eliminating the turret basket, like the Slovaks have done. They already field the Arbalet-DM.

 

Interesting post there Simon.  Do you happen to know if the crew seating has changed any with the Slovak BMP's since they're now using an RWS instead of a conventional manned turret?  Does the upgrade/redesign mean less infantry are carried?


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Posted 22 July 2019 - 1018 AM

https://www.armyreco...lovak_army.html


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