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#1 Davin

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Posted 12 December 2004 - 2322 PM

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There is a laser weapon on gunner's site.
The laser weapon can hurt human eyes and electro-optical system.

#2 Simon Tan

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Posted 12 December 2004 - 2351 PM

The Type 99 is an amphibious tank that is replacing the venerable Type 63 amphib tank(PT-76 a-like with a 85mm gun turret).

This is a very nice picture of the ZTZ-98 Gai...or Type 98 Improved. The main difference appears to be the ERA suite (which is quite comporehensive since it extends all along the turret sides.

The laser dazzler is located on the right hand side, just behind the gunner's hatch. I have no idea what targeting arrangement it uses.

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Posted 13 December 2004 - 0848 AM

This photograph is incredible. Where did you find it?

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Posted 13 December 2004 - 0945 AM

There's a thread of them here; [url="http://"http://bbs.china.com/military/html/board_57_post/736629/3111268.html"]http://bbs.china.com/military/html/board_5...29/3111268.html[/url]

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Posted 13 December 2004 - 1231 PM

Close up of the laser system:

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from www.sinodefence.com  

The Type 98 features an JD-3 integrated laser rangefinder/warning/self-defence device. Unlike contemporary Russian active tank self-defense systems like Drozd, Drozd-2, and Arena, which launch projectiles to disable or "shoot-down" incoming anti-tank missiles and projectiles, the Chinese system apparently uses a high-powered laser to directly attack the enemy weapon's optics and gunner.

The system includes what appears to be a laser warning receiver (LWR - the dome-shaped device on the turret roof behind the commander's position), that warns the crew that their tank is being illuminated by an enemy range-finding or weapon-guidance laser. The turret of the tank can then be traversed to face the direction of the enemy threat, and the laser self-defence weapon (LSDW - the box-shaped device on the turret roof behind the gunner's position), can be employed against the source of the enemy laser.

The procedure of the laser weapon would first use a low-powered beam to locate the optics of the enemy weapon. Once the enemy weapon was located, the power level of the laser would be immediately and dramatically increased. Such an attack would disable the guidance optics of the enemy weapon and/or damage the eyesight of the enemy gunner.

The available photos of the Type 98 have also confirmed that the laser weapon can be elevated to a higher angle than the tank's main gun, indicating that the engagement of attack helicopters is possible. In addition, the laser device could also be used for communications between friend tanks.


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[url="http://"http://www.sinodefence.com/army/tank/type98.asp"]http://www.sinodefence.com/army/tank/type98.asp[/url]

Sinodefence is a very interesting site.

Not that I imagine the Chinese (or a number of others) will take much notice of it, but isn't there an international treaty banning the use of blinding lasers?

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Posted 14 December 2004 - 0150 AM

Originally posted by Weaver:
Not that I imagine the Chinese (or a number of others) will take much notice of it, but isn't there an international treaty banning the use of blinding lasers?


I think there is. But there's no treaty banning lasers designed to kill people or damage artificial sensors, & incidental blinding is just bad luck, as long as it isn't what the laser is designed for. And who says China has signed the treaty?

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Posted 17 December 2004 - 0443 AM

Originally posted by Simon Tan:
The Type 99 is an amphibious tank that is replacing the venerable Type 63 amphib tank(PT-76 a-like with a 85mm gun turret).

This is a very nice picture of the ZTZ-98 Gai...or Type 98 Improved. The main difference appears to be the ERA suite (which is quite comporehensive since it extends all along the turret sides.

The laser dazzler is located on the right hand side, just behind the gunner's hatch. I have no idea what targeting arrangement it uses.

Simon


In China this tank called ZTZ-98 Gai(means "improve" in
Chinese),and it also called ZTZ-99.See here: [url="http://"http://www.wpeu.net/news/dispArticle.Asp?ID=131"]http://www.wpeu.net/news/dispArticle.Asp?ID=131[/url]
The new amphibious tank in China is Type 63A,not type 99.
Type 63A use a new welded turret to replace original cast turret. [url="http://"http://military.china.com/zh_cn/bbs/11018441/20041007/11903583.html"]http://military.china.com/zh_cn/bbs/110184...7/11903583.html[/url]

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Posted 17 December 2004 - 0840 AM

No obvious muzzle reference system. What do they use instead?

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Posted 18 December 2004 - 0116 AM

Originally posted by DB:
No obvious muzzle reference system. What do they use instead?

David


It doesn't has muzzle reference system.Its main gun was fitted with light alloy thermal sleeve to prevent main gun curved.


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Posted 18 December 2004 - 1927 PM

Beautiful pic, thanks for the links

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Posted 18 December 2004 - 1943 PM

Originally posted by Davin:
 It doesn't has muzzle reference system.Its main gun was fitted with  light alloy thermal sleeve to prevent main gun curved.


<font size=1>[Edited by Davin (18 Dec 2004).]


All guns have droop, whether or not fitted with a thermal sleeve, caused by gravity. Moreover, not even the thermal sleeve can eliminate thermal bending, it can merely reduce the effects of uneven heating and cooling. You might also notice that all modern western tanks have both an MRS system and a thermal sleeve/shroud.

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Posted 20 December 2004 - 1024 AM

Originally posted by Davin:
 It doesn't has muzzle reference system.Its main gun was fitted with  light alloy thermal sleeve to prevent main gun curved.


<font size=1>[Edited by Davin (18 Dec 2004).]


Maybe it's an acknowledgement that the expected combat life of a tank is short enough that it doesn't really matter?

Or maybe if there is an intention to use gun-launched ATGM for long range engagements, then they might be right.

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Posted 23 April 2006 - 1515 PM

Yikes! :blink:

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Posted 23 April 2006 - 1631 PM

The Chinese on the picture says: "Our army conducts psychological excercizes for crushing," refering to familiarization with running enemies over. That flat, helmeted and uniformed thingy in front of the tank should be a mock-up crunchie.

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Posted 23 April 2006 - 1636 PM

That flat, helmeted and uniformed thingy in front of the tank should be a mock-up crunchie.

 


Standart training (includes throwing grenades into tank and firinf at it at very close range). To make infantry not afraid tanks in close combat.

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Posted 23 April 2006 - 1837 PM

The Chinese on the picture says: "Our army conducts psychological excercizes for crushing," refering to familiarization with running enemies over. That flat, helmeted and uniformed thingy in front of the tank should be a mock-up crunchie.

 

No repeats of the Tiananmen Square PR disaster, then.

Are you sure that the green-clad "dummy" lying down isn't a "volunteer" organ donor?
It would appear to be missing the obligatory shopping bags. :(

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Posted 23 April 2006 - 2100 PM

Standart training (includes throwing grenades into tank and firinf at it at very close range). To make infantry not afraid tanks in close combat.

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So,Both Russian and Chinese have such psychological training for infantry. :D

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Posted 23 April 2006 - 2341 PM

The German have the same training route.

http://www.anyboard....bad26_64701.jpg

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Posted 24 April 2006 - 0018 AM

All guns have droop, whether or not fitted with a thermal sleeve, caused by gravity.  Moreover, not even the thermal sleeve can eliminate thermal bending, it can merely reduce the effects of uneven heating and cooling.  You might also notice that all modern western tanks have both an MRS system and a thermal sleeve/shroud.

 



How important would you state a MRS to be, in terms of main gun accuracy & range? Can a non MRS equipped tank achieve equivalent results by virtue of good stabilization and FCS alone?

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Posted 24 April 2006 - 0021 AM

Driver. Tracks. Troops!
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