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#861 Adam_S

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Posted 05 August 2019 - 0640 AM

Stuart, you may enjoy this.

 

http://www.armouredc...-hms-victorious


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Posted 05 August 2019 - 0641 AM

Particularly at night. I believe Swordfish was an absolute terror when it came to U boat hunting. It was really the closest equivalent they had at the time to an ASW helicopter.

 

It may have sucked against 109s, but there was nothing better when it came down to plonking something down on the deck of an escort carrier pitching about in rough seas in the North Atlantic.


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#863 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 05 August 2019 - 0958 AM

Thank you Adam, thats really very interesting. I shall have to see if there is a book on this deployment. It clearly has some historical precedent of how we are going to use the QE's.

 

Yeah, I think the stringbag was much maligned. I think for poor weather operation there wasnt much better.


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Posted 05 August 2019 - 1250 PM

All the crew, and our Captain in particular, demonstrated our efficiency and capability. Even the worst critics acknowledged we were as good as their best.

 

Worst critics aside, those best positioned to make such judgments would be the men of the IJN administering the somewhat more rigorous test of battle against them.


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Posted 05 August 2019 - 1329 PM

I don't believe the Italian navy found much to fault...
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Posted 05 August 2019 - 1339 PM

Stuart, you may enjoy this.

 

http://www.armouredc...-hms-victorious

Great read, thank you


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Posted 05 August 2019 - 1739 PM

 

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I do not know about the weight capability, but that lift looks wide enough to fit two F-35s.

 

It is. Or two CH47s with rotors folded.


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Posted 05 August 2019 - 1847 PM



Thank you Adam, thats really very interesting. I shall have to see if there is a book on this deployment.

 

This might be worth a go.

 

https://www.amazon.c...s/dp/0718301021


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Posted 05 August 2019 - 1907 PM

Thank you Adam, thats really very interesting. I shall have to see if there is a book on this deployment. It clearly has some historical precedent of how we are going to use the QE's.
 
Yeah, I think the stringbag was much maligned. I think for poor weather operation there wasnt much better.


To be honest, most accounts of RN aircraft carriers in the Pacific were pretty negative, mostly because the aircraft kept breaking. Not to denigrate the noble performance the RN did in the Atlantic theatre.
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Posted 05 August 2019 - 2133 PM

Stuart, you may enjoy this.

 

http://www.armouredc...-hms-victorious

Wow, that was a great read.  I don't know how I missed this chapter of WWII history.  As a teenager, I read about the Pacific war avidly, but don't recall any mention even in S.E. Morison's History of U.S. Naval Operations in WWII  


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Posted 06 August 2019 - 0156 AM

 



Thank you Adam, thats really very interesting. I shall have to see if there is a book on this deployment.

 

This might be worth a go.

 

https://www.amazon.c...s/dp/0718301021

 

 

Thanks, I might give that a punt.

 

 

 

Thank you Adam, thats really very interesting. I shall have to see if there is a book on this deployment. It clearly has some historical precedent of how we are going to use the QE's.
 
Yeah, I think the stringbag was much maligned. I think for poor weather operation there wasnt much better.


To be honest, most accounts of RN aircraft carriers in the Pacific were pretty negative, mostly because the aircraft kept breaking. Not to denigrate the noble performance the RN did in the Atlantic theatre.

 

Which ones? I could see the Seafire having issues with its undercart, but I dont really see much wrong with the Firefly in comparison with say, the Helldiver.

 

Which begs a question, how many aircraft in the air wings we sent out there were lend lease? I know we were using a lot of Corsairs and Avengers, I just have no idea if we sent them to the pacific, other than in the case of Victorious here.


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Posted 06 August 2019 - 0157 AM

 

Stuart, you may enjoy this.

 

http://www.armouredc...-hms-victorious

Wow, that was a great read.  I don't know how I missed this chapter of WWII history.  As a teenager, I read about the Pacific war avidly, but don't recall any mention even in S.E. Morison's History of U.S. Naval Operations in WWII  

 

 

 

I can imagine it wasn't very politically astute to suggest the USN at any point in the pacific war needed help from the Royal Navy.


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Posted 06 August 2019 - 0421 AM

The Americans really didn't understand how useful those FAA biplanes were.  They may have looked like something from a cyberpunk scenario but they were able to do the business.

Maybe, but not as attack aircraft vs the Japanese, especially the Japanese Navy.

Maybe not on their own. But they could still help by adding numbers and thus improving the ability for a strike group to get past CAP.
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Posted 06 August 2019 - 0736 AM

 

 

Stuart, you may enjoy this.

 

http://www.armouredc...-hms-victorious

Wow, that was a great read.  I don't know how I missed this chapter of WWII history.  As a teenager, I read about the Pacific war avidly, but don't recall any mention even in S.E. Morison's History of U.S. Naval Operations in WWII  

 

 

 

I can imagine it wasn't very politically astute to suggest the USN at any point in the pacific war needed help from the Royal Navy.

 

I don't remember when the volume covering the Pacific war through '43 was written, but since several volumes were written during the war, OPSEC may have applied (and maybe some cover for King and his disdain for the Brits).  Still, a great story of international cooperation.


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Posted 06 August 2019 - 0918 AM

King was the same guy who felt convoys were not needed?


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Posted 06 August 2019 - 0942 AM

Thats the one. He was also an Anglophobic prick, which is why he refused to listen to RN experience in convoying.


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Posted 06 August 2019 - 1201 PM

The USS Robin (HMS Victorious) had the outlines of a lift painted on the centre of the flight deck as an aiming point for Japanese dive bombers.  There was no lift there, just the outline on a thick armour plate deck.

 

More than likely with the skill of Egusa's dive bombers in mind.


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Posted 06 August 2019 - 2242 PM

The British actor Kenneth Moore served on the Victorious for a while, His on line biographies don't mention whether this was while she was in the Pacific.


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Posted 26 August 2019 - 0226 AM

Proported to be an in helmet view of an F35B landing on HMS Queen Elizabeth. Im not sure of the provenance, but it is interest. The fans seem to be at nearly the same angle when I try to land an AV8B on a ship.

 

https://www.thedrive...queen-elizabeth


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