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#61 Markus Becker

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Posted 01 August 2019 - 1607 PM

Depends where you hit them. A random 250 kilo bomb/8" shell is unlikely to score a direct hit in the first place and even less likely to hit a firing port. An M10 might have been able to 'snipe' firing ports.
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Posted 01 August 2019 - 1618 PM

We need a thread: US AFVs if the USA entered the war in December 1940 instead of 1941.........



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#63 DougRichards

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Posted 01 August 2019 - 1642 PM

Depends where you hit them. A random 250 kilo bomb/8" shell is unlikely to score a direct hit in the first place and even less likely to hit a firing port. An M10 might have been able to 'snipe' firing ports.

 

But the GMC M12 was useful for that sort of work, firing 155mm AP shells, originally designed for coastal defense, penetrating two metres of concrete at 2000 metres in the direct fire role.


Edited by DougRichards, 02 August 2019 - 0330 AM.

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Posted 01 August 2019 - 1846 PM

Most bunkers -on both side of the French-German boarder- were designed to withstand direct fire from heavier field artillery, with concrete thickness of 1.5m or more.

Where these 3" guns really expected to destroy WESTWALL fortifications with that thickness .

Were they just for lighter tactical field bunkers, with concrete thickness of 3/4 meter or less ?

Nobody else asked so I will.  Where have you been keeping yourself, Stranger?


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#65 Walter_Sobchak

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Posted 01 August 2019 - 2230 PM

Most bunkers -on both side of the French-German boarder- were designed to withstand direct fire from heavier field artillery, with concrete thickness of 1.5m or more.

Where these 3" guns really expected to destroy WESTWALL fortifications with that thickness .

Were they just for lighter tactical field bunkers, with concrete thickness of 3/4 meter or less ?

 

Wiki makes the claim that the 75mm on the Char B1 bis was mounted as low as possible on the hull to make it easier to shoot into vision and gun slits on enemy bunkers.  No idea if that's actually true.  


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Posted 02 August 2019 - 0030 AM

Wiki makes the claim that the 75mm on the Char B1 bis was mounted as low as possible on the hull to make it easier to shoot into vision and gun slits on enemy bunkers.  No idea if that's actually true.

Vauvillier makes a similar assertion, FWIW...
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Posted 02 August 2019 - 0228 AM

The French pre-war designs for their superheavy tanks were expected to use their 90mm guns to snipe at the embrasures of the West Wall, Paul. However the British TOG's 3-inch gun was only supposed to overcome field fortifications.  The 1944 designs for UK Tortoise and US T28 were aimed at penetrating fortress armor, but they of course knew little about the West Wall bunker design.

 

+1 to DKTanker's comment, how are you these days Paul?


Edited by Ken Estes, 03 August 2019 - 0221 AM.

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