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#41 Nobu

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Posted 05 May 2019 - 1132 AM

Salarywomen versus familywomen is a thing, as there is some rivalry bordering on contempt between the 2.


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Posted 05 May 2019 - 1203 PM

Maybe because women with no or a bad career,spending their lives raising kids, are at the mercy in the long term of their husbands and want financial security for themselves ? Also in nowadays culture having a career is indeed what defines yourself, why deny women the right to that and relegate them to second class citizens ?


That very well may be, but I suspect thousands of years of evolutionary drive is still asserting itself, even among many women who think career is king. The hypergamy still asserts. What's second class about raising children?


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Posted 06 May 2019 - 0754 AM

the notion that being a mother is a second tier calling is an abomination.

In fact, same thing for being a father.

In past times people seemed willing to accept the choices that others made, now the choices of the one are decided by the many.

 

One blessing about aging is that you are less concerned about what others think.  Unfortunately once there you are generally past child bearing years.

There are (and will be more) many career women who secretly regret putting everything into a career only to end up old and lonely (but rich!).

There are some that don't miss real life but many more that do.  They just won't admit it.


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Posted 06 May 2019 - 1904 PM

Although women have traditionally gained their greatest joy and sense of accomplishment from being wives and mothers; an equally important role as men's responsibilities as husbands and fathers, the feminist movement has successfully influenced many women to abandon these divinely ordained roles. Unfortunately, this movement has made headway even in the church, creating chaos and confusion regarding the role of women both in ministry and in the home. Only in Scripture can God’s intended design for women be found.

Edited by Rick, 06 May 2019 - 1904 PM.

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#45 Corinthian

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Posted 09 May 2019 - 0519 AM

the notion that being a mother is a second tier calling is an abomination.

In fact, same thing for being a father.

In past times people seemed willing to accept the choices that others made, now the choices of the one are decided by the many.

 

One blessing about aging is that you are less concerned about what others think.  Unfortunately once there you are generally past child bearing years.

There are (and will be more) many career women who secretly regret putting everything into a career only to end up old and lonely (but rich!).

There are some that don't miss real life but many more that do.  They just won't admit it.

 

A good friend of mine since law school days decided that she did not want to marry but wanted kids. She consulted with an OB-GYN and was told the age limit of when she can get pregnant without complications. She got herself pregnant at that age and bore a son. She made an agreement with the biological dad that he has zero anything to do with the child. She just wanted to have an heir. She is now thinking of adopting a girl for a daughter. My friend is a real career woman, focusing on acquiring wealth. She's a CPA-lawyer and a good one.

 

Sadly, she isn't interested in any relations so I am firmly in the friendzone. :lol:


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#46 Rick

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Posted 09 May 2019 - 0547 AM

 

the notion that being a mother is a second tier calling is an abomination.

In fact, same thing for being a father.

In past times people seemed willing to accept the choices that others made, now the choices of the one are decided by the many.

 

One blessing about aging is that you are less concerned about what others think.  Unfortunately once there you are generally past child bearing years.

There are (and will be more) many career women who secretly regret putting everything into a career only to end up old and lonely (but rich!).

There are some that don't miss real life but many more that do.  They just won't admit it.

 

A good friend of mine since law school days decided that she did not want to marry but wanted kids. She consulted with an OB-GYN and was told the age limit of when she can get pregnant without complications. She got herself pregnant at that age and bore a son. She made an agreement with the biological dad that he has zero anything to do with the child. She just wanted to have an heir. She is now thinking of adopting a girl for a daughter. My friend is a real career woman, focusing on acquiring wealth. She's a CPA-lawyer and a good one.

 

Sadly, she isn't interested in any relations so I am firmly in the friendzone. :lol:

 

The sad part is the child. There is a reason why children need a man and a woman becoming husband and wife, and then a mother and father. 


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Posted 09 May 2019 - 0614 AM

 

 

the notion that being a mother is a second tier calling is an abomination.

In fact, same thing for being a father.

In past times people seemed willing to accept the choices that others made, now the choices of the one are decided by the many.

 

One blessing about aging is that you are less concerned about what others think.  Unfortunately once there you are generally past child bearing years.

There are (and will be more) many career women who secretly regret putting everything into a career only to end up old and lonely (but rich!).

There are some that don't miss real life but many more that do.  They just won't admit it.

 

A good friend of mine since law school days decided that she did not want to marry but wanted kids. She consulted with an OB-GYN and was told the age limit of when she can get pregnant without complications. She got herself pregnant at that age and bore a son. She made an agreement with the biological dad that he has zero anything to do with the child. She just wanted to have an heir. She is now thinking of adopting a girl for a daughter. My friend is a real career woman, focusing on acquiring wealth. She's a CPA-lawyer and a good one.

 

Sadly, she isn't interested in any relations so I am firmly in the friendzone. :lol:

 

The sad part is the child. There is a reason why children need a man and a woman becoming husband and wife, and then a mother and father. 

 

Next time just get a dog, for Pete's sake. At least men only get mistresses and sports cars for their mid-life crises. These single professional and celebrity women collect kids like jewelry.


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Posted 16 May 2019 - 1128 AM

Shock, surprise...

 

 

In March 2007, Spain introduced a national policy granting most new fathers two weeks of fully paid paternity leave.

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Unexpectedly, though, the researchers also found that families who were eligible for the paternity leave were less likely to have kids in the future. In a study published in the Journal of Public Economics (paywall), economists Lídia Farré of the University of Barcelona and Libertad González of University of Pompeu Fabra estimate that two years on, parents who had been eligible for the newly introduced program were 7% to 15% less likely to have another kid than parents who just missed the eligibility cutoff. While the difference dissipated further into the future, even after six years, parents who had been eligible for the leave were still less likely to have a child again.

https://qz.com/work/...e=pocket-newtab

 

Kind of an annoying article.  The quote above talks about what they actually have as far as children and then the rest of the article talks about shifting desires in what parents say they want.  Doesn't matter what you want, matters what you have.

 

IIRC from the book Spain is one of the lowest nations in Europe as far as fertility rate goes, FWIW.


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