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Erosion Of Constitutional Principles During The American Civil War


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#1 Mikel2

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Posted 23 January 2019 - 1923 PM

Speaking the name of Abraham Lincoln is often followed by mentions of his suspension of the writ of habeas corpus and a long list of real and imaginary abuses of presidential and federal authority.

 

I have heard arguments that in the Confederate states, despite all the rhetoric about states rights and a constitution that gave them a weaker central government, during the war the Confederate government ended up exerting an extraordinary level of control over the southern states, much higher than in the Union states.

 

How much of this is true and if so, how did come to be?


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Posted 23 January 2019 - 1953 PM

And in an unrelated note... What kind of accent is this??


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#3 Tim Sielbeck

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Posted 23 January 2019 - 2137 PM

From one of the replies concerning his accent; "...he has the classic Virginia and Maryland tidewater plantation accent, which formed the basis for today's deep south accent but represents the original Elizabethan English spoken in the colonial south..."


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#4 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 24 January 2019 - 0306 AM

Speaking the name of Abraham Lincoln is often followed by mentions of his suspension of the writ of habeas corpus and a long list of real and imaginary abuses of presidential and federal authority.

 

I have heard arguments that in the Confederate states, despite all the rhetoric about states rights and a constitution that gave them a weaker central government, during the war the Confederate government ended up exerting an extraordinary level of control over the southern states, much higher than in the Union states.

 

How much of this is true and if so, how did come to be?

 

From what I learned from the Ken Burn's documentary on PBS, it was seemingly the exact reverse. Jefferson Davis was continually complaining the states were too powerful and getting in the way of the war effort. For example conscription, I think it was that they put in all the caveats to keep the wealthy and landed out the fighting.

 

Ive not read anything yet that contradicts that perspective.


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Posted 06 February 2019 - 0713 AM

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Slightly off topic.

The power to suspend Habeas Corpus is given to Congress. Lincoln acted on his own and IIRC Congress backed him up later when they were in session. The Constitution is not a suicide pact.

“Article One, Section 9, clause 2, which demands that "The privilege of the writ of habeas corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in cases of rebellion or invasion the public safety may require it."

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Posted 10 February 2019 - 0425 AM

Very unrelated, but I've been listening to these podcasts. The Monitor/Merrimack ones are really fascinating. I didn't know Ericsson had taken part in the early steam rail races in the UK.

 

https://mises.org/li...oversies?page=2

 

I wonder if the ram from the Virginia is still embedded in the wreck of the Cumberland (which as far as I know was never salvaged). That would be quite a valuable artifact.


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Posted 10 February 2019 - 1126 AM

Very unrelated, but I've been listening to these podcasts. The Monitor/Merrimack ones are really fascinating. I didn't know Ericsson had taken part in the early steam rail races in the UK.

 

https://mises.org/li...oversies?page=2

 

I wonder if the ram from the Virginia is still embedded in the wreck of the Cumberland (which as far as I know was never salvaged). That would be quite a valuable artifact.

 

The Navy History and Heritage Command used to have a page on her salvage, but I cannot find it now. The problem with the ram is that it broke off due to the attack, but there is actually no evidence that it broke off "in" thee hull of the Cumberland. It may have broken off from the bow and sunk anyplace in Hampton Roads from the battle site along the course she took to return to her berth at Norfolk.

 

https://oceanexplore...ry/history.html

 

http://www.numa.net/...rt-news-search/


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Posted 10 February 2019 - 1249 PM


Very unrelated, but I've been listening to these podcasts. The Monitor/Merrimack ones are really fascinating. I didn't know Ericsson had taken part in the early steam rail races in the UK.
 
https://mises.org/li...oversies?page=2
 
I wonder if the ram from the Virginia is still embedded in the wreck of the Cumberland (which as far as I know was never salvaged). That would be quite a valuable artifact.

 
The Navy History and Heritage Command used to have a page on her salvage, but I cannot find it now. The problem with the ram is that it broke off due to the attack, but there is actually no evidence that it broke off "in" thee hull of the Cumberland. It may have broken off from the bow and sunk anyplace in Hampton Roads from the battle site along the course she took to return to her berth at Norfolk.
 
https://oceanexplore...ry/history.html
 
http://www.numa.net/...rt-news-search/

Thank you. Second link was fascinating.
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Posted 11 February 2019 - 0916 AM

Been listening to those Historical Controveries about the John Brown Raid. Really interesting, thanks for that.


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