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#61 Simon Tan

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Posted 14 March 2019 - 0450 AM

I'm wondering if you really gain much with slapping on armor. Just use them to give heavy weapons mobility. Stick an mg or a AT gun on the loadbed.
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Posted 14 March 2019 - 0556 AM

With 47mm Hotchkiss/Nordfelt/Vickers it would be quite a good bit of the support.

Armor enables it to be bulletproof at typical engagement range, preventing effective suppression.


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Posted 14 March 2019 - 0755 AM

Casemate gun with pintle LMG. Open top. 3 man crew. One each 47 and 75 IG.

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Posted 14 March 2019 - 0916 AM

Captured vehicles of this kind (both Somua and Unic versions, very similar to the citroën) were rebuild by the Germans.

 

They were armoured with the typical light German facted armour.

 

Variants included  (from my head) : Troop carrier, 75 mm PAK tank hunter, multibank 81 mm mortar carrier. (multiple, 16 i believe , captured 81 mm mortars in a common mount as a salvo weapen, call it an erzatz Katyusha)

 

Note that the French also developed an AC like version of this with a turret with the typical short 37 mm gun and an MG, (i think unarmoured) versions with twin rifle calibre of 13.2 mm AA mounts (see links below)

 

And there was this: http://www.chars-fra...sk=view&id=1489

and this: http://www.chars-fra...task=view&id=34

and this (AA version and two armoured versions) http://www.citroenet...tochenille.html

 

 

(some pictures here: For the Unic, which was a production version of the Renault Kégresse: https://fr.wikipedia...ro├źn/Unic_P107

 for the later enlarged SOMUA verion : https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somua_MCG ) I took the french wiki pages since they give the most complte listing of German variants (no French need to read these)

 

So i guess there was a lot of potential in these vehicles.


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Posted 14 March 2019 - 1306 PM

I'm wondering if you really gain much with slapping on armor. Just use them to give heavy weapons mobility. Stick an mg or a AT gun on the loadbed.

 

A self propelled light gun/HMG mounted on a splinter and bullet proof vehicle that's not as slow as an FT is at least doable. Making it proof of 13mm bullets and low velocity, small caliber shells requires much more amour, which in turn requires a more capable vehicle. Given the limitations of automotive technology and its cost a lighly protected vehicle is preferable.  

 

How about starting with towed guns? The crews of future self propelled guns need to be able to operate the gun and the motor vehicle. Given the sparsity of the latter, we don't have a lot of people who can do this without considerable prior training. Let's get them started on lorries. 


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Posted 15 March 2019 - 0114 AM

Truck driving is a high-value skill that is in demand. We are continually losing regulars because they can earn much higher wages outside as drivers and the Transport School has full Motor classes for more than a year.

 

Much of our country road network is unpaved but everywhere there is a light railway, the roads are getting tarmac as they can bring aggregate and binder near the road site. All this construction work is thanks largely to the many refugees who have come to Tankovia over the last two decades. There is a bill before the Legislative Assembly to allow these individuals to naturalize. Since many will be older than conscription age, the idea is to make their naturalization conditional on service in kind.

 

Motorized towing of artillery and cannon is possible but requires the guns and limbers to be modified with appropriate wheels. The School of Artillery has an Experimental Company doing this. 


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Posted 24 March 2019 - 1540 PM

Locomotive has been tasked with designing and building tanks. We have given this some though and decided not to. The available tanks chassis are not to our liking. The FT’s is too small, the Medium Mk.I has the engine at the front, the Medium C is too heavy. The Ford 3 ton tank is also too small but it has the layout we are looking for. A self propelled, armored gun carrier.

 

So logically we plan to start with a half track. It’s mostly just a lorry with tracks on the rear axle and lorries are needed anyway. A bullet proof half track would be easier to make than an SP-gun and much easier to operate. Any lorry driver can do it with minimal extra training. And while we don’t have many lorry drivers we have many more than we have tank drivers and their numbers increase thanks to the increasing use of lorries by private businesses. A half track is also very more mobile. Maybe not tactically but definitely operationally. Being a lorry with tracks it can move from one battlefield to another quickly by itself. No need to load it on a train or road trailer. Overall protection is probably not worse than in a tank. None of the current ones is more than splinter and bullet proof.

 

Proposed armaments are a heavy machine gun or the Skoda 75 mm Model 15 mountain gun. Rearward mounted but with 360 degree traverse. This gives us some armored vehicles until a fully tracked self propelled gun is ready.


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Posted Today, 02:58 PM

By the way, an Experimental Motorized Force of Citroën P17 half tracks is about to be activated. Entirely unarmored and armed with dummy guns to test the concept of half tracks. We’ll start with one company and see where that leads.

 

http://www.citroenor...-track-type-p17


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