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#101 Burncycle360

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Posted 10 October 2019 - 1929 PM

What's wrong with PzH 2000?


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#102 Ssnake

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Posted 11 October 2019 - 0503 AM

NIH?


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#103 bd1

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Posted 11 October 2019 - 1018 AM

What's wrong with PzH 2000?

 it´s not as popular lately as it was before, lost in competition in norway, used ones are not so popular too lately, only lithuania and croatia bought used ones. probably upkeep is expensive and the company that makes them seems to have the attitude that endusers are not .....really the owners  :)​ 

 

south korean k-9 seems to be the new standard (  :)​  ) for europe . maybe the thing that it was designed for conscript army that is not awash with cash makes it cheaper to own? 


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#104 Simon Tan

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Posted 11 October 2019 - 1031 AM

Firtina.....
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#105 Panzermann

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Posted 11 October 2019 - 1353 PM

 

What's wrong with PzH 2000?

 it´s not as popular lately as it was before, lost in competition in norway, used ones are not so popular too lately, only lithuania and croatia bought used ones. probably upkeep is expensive and the company that makes them seems to have the attitude that endusers are not .....really the owners  :)​ 

 

south korean k-9 seems to be the new standard (  :)​  ) for europe . maybe the thing that it was designed for conscript army that is not awash with cash makes it cheaper to own? 

 

 

The Plattmacher 2000 ( ;)was developed since the eighties, when the Bundeswehr was very much a conscipt army still. I think the main deciding factor is price and size and delivery date. The K-9 is a bit smaller and lighter and currently manufactured in Korea and one could get alternatively polish made ones. Whereas PzH2000 manufacture is on hiatus.

 

 

 

Firtina.....

 

Pretty much same as K-9, because it is a derivative thereof.

 

 

 

Of course Russia wants to sell surplus 2S3, if you like rebored to 155mm. Or sell 2S35 Koalitsiya for the right price. Or take some Made in China PLZ-05. Type 99 made in Japan. But all NIH.


Edited by Panzermann, 11 October 2019 - 1359 PM.

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#106 Chris Werb

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Posted 11 October 2019 - 1440 PM

Poland doesn't make the K9, they licence build the hulls onto which they fit AS-90 turrets.


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#107 Panzermann

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Posted 15 October 2019 - 1428 PM

Poland doesn't make the K9, they licence build the hulls onto which they fit AS-90 turrets.

 

Poland has a license for the whole K-9 afaik, but they only manufacture their own hybrid as-90-k-9  at the moment.


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#108 Chris Werb

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Posted 15 October 2019 - 1514 PM

 

Poland doesn't make the K9, they licence build the hulls onto which they fit AS-90 turrets.

 

Poland has a license for the whole K-9 afaik, but they only manufacture their own hybrid as-90-k-9  at the moment.

 

 

So they'd have to retool to make the K-9 for an export customer. It had better be a big order and the RoK's better agree to it.


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Posted 16 October 2019 - 1552 PM

The Crusader project was a farce.


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#110 JW Collins

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Posted 16 October 2019 - 1623 PM

The Crusader project was a farce.


Was it really? In it's original form it was somewhere in the 60 ton range and was supposed to (maybe) use liquid propellent and other exotic technologies. When the '90s came around it was reimagined into its more familiar form which seemed to be entirely achieveable.
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Posted 16 October 2019 - 2241 PM

 

The Crusader project was a farce.


Was it really? In it's original form it was somewhere in the 60 ton range and was supposed to (maybe) use liquid propellent and other exotic technologies. When the '90s came around it was reimagined into its more familiar form which seemed to be entirely achieveable.

 

The silliness was pushing for quite heavy armor, and then putting a huge emphasis on the very minor increase in speed over the PzH 2000, attained via the use of a gas turbine. And then apparently ruling out a modified PzH 2000 with some weight reductions.


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#112 Panzermann

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Posted 17 October 2019 - 0107 AM

 

 

Poland doesn't make the K9, they licence build the hulls onto which they fit AS-90 turrets.

 

Poland has a license for the whole K-9 afaik, but they only manufacture their own hybrid as-90-k-9  at the moment.

 

 

So they'd have to retool to make the K-9 for an export customer. It had better be a big order and the RoK's better agree to it.

 

 

Of course, but it is a possible alternate source, which is always good for the buyer.

 

 

 

 

yeah, the XM2001 Crusader. As ususal the inteded great leap ahead ends in stumbling along with the current issue equipment. 


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#113 shep854

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Posted Yesterday, 07:45 PM

Since the PzH2000 came up...those charges seem way too small. 


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Posted Yesterday, 09:10 PM

Around 3:20, the loader looks like it's only moving a little (four or five inches?), but rapidly enough that the munition's own momentum carries through the breech and seats it forward in the chamber.

Is that right, or is the camera angle deceiving me?
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#115 Burncycle360

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Posted Yesterday, 09:44 PM

Around 3:20, the loader looks like it's only moving a little (four or five inches?), but rapidly enough that the munition's own momentum carries through the breech and seats it forward in the chamber.

Is that right, or is the camera angle deceiving me?


Yes, it's a flick rammer.

Heavily automated ammunition handling for replenishing the vehicle was pretty innovative when it came out, I'm not sure offhand if anything's come along since then that's comparable on a self propelled gun


Edited by Burncycle360, Yesterday, 09:47 PM.

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#116 DougRichards

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Posted Yesterday, 10:09 PM

 

The Crusader project was a farce.


Was it really? In it's original form it was somewhere in the 60 ton range and was supposed to (maybe) use liquid propellent and other exotic technologies. When the '90s came around it was reimagined into its more familiar form which seemed to be entirely achieveable.

 

 

Is it possible that a future project may merge the tank and sp artillery role?  Something like a 140mm gun with autoloader and sufficient elevation for long range artillery purposes?  Particularly if the 140mm fired a discarding sabot HE round of around 100mm with terminal guidance?  Even a current tank gun fired a APFSDS round out to about 70 kilometers with sufficient elevation, but of course would never intentionally hit anything at that range.  Added range could be provided by a rocket booster so that a round fired from a 140mm tank gun could reach out to 100 kilometers.


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#117 Panzermann

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Posted Today, 02:26 AM

 

Around 3:20, the loader looks like it's only moving a little (four or five inches?), but rapidly enough that the munition's own momentum carries through the breech and seats it forward in the chamber.

Is that right, or is the camera angle deceiving me?

Yes, it's a flick rammer.

Heavily automated ammunition handling for replenishing the vehicle was pretty innovative when it came out, I'm not sure offhand if anything's come along since then that's comparable on a self propelled gun

 

 

The Koreans built the K10 to accompny the K9 for automated replenishment.

 

K10_ARV.jpg​


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Posted Today, 04:27 AM

Whereas PzH2000 manufacture is on hiatus.


They are currently making new ones for Hungary.
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#119 Panzermann

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Posted Today, 09:13 AM

 

Whereas PzH2000 manufacture is on hiatus.


They are currently making new ones for Hungary.

 

 

I knew that Hungary bought some, but did not know when delivery was.


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