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#541 2805662

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Posted 22 December 2017 - 0437 AM

Couldnt they have found a taller rent-a-Soldier?
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Posted 09 February 2018 - 1225 PM

To get back to the selection and procurement process of the G36 successor:

 

 

SIG-Sauer withdraws from the competition, becaue the BAAINBw requires that any technology submitted not be under export control restrictions. which means ITAR killed it for SIG-Sauer, because the MCX series has been designed mostly in the USA.  BMVg does not comment on the press statements of private enterprises.

 

https://mobile.trade...fahren-zurueck/

http://augengeradeau...ngebot-zurueck/

 

 

RUMINT has it that the MCX has problems with the presentation of projectiles ("Geschoßvorlagefähigkeit"), too, which is also a core demand by BAAINBw for the new rifle. So ITAR may be a cheap excuse.

 

So that basically leaves the Rheinmetall-Steyr RS556, HK416 and HK433 in the race. If others have submitted their bids like FN or Beretta or CZ UB or FB Radom is unknown so far. Well maybe they just did not bother. It looks very much like a slam dunk for the HK433, because RS556 and HK416 are both heavier than the target weight requirement.

 

Rheinmetall/Steyr have now also withdrawn from the competition. This leaves HK as the only German contender, though there might still be others.


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Posted 10 February 2018 - 0418 AM

Well....don't hold your breath now.


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#544 Panzermann

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Posted 10 February 2018 - 0525 AM

Meanwhile in  Latvia:
 


Infantry Weapons
Latvia orders infantry small arms
Bruce Jones, London - Jane's Defence Weekly
06 February 2018

Latvia is to be supplied with a full range of small arms over the next seven years, German arms manufacturer Heckler & Koch (H&K) announced on 2 February.

The Latvian National Armed Forces (NAF) signed a EUR13 million (USD16 million) contract for the purchase of G36 5.56 mm assault rifles for use by themselves, the Zemessardze (National Guard), and border guard service.

(...)

http://www.janes.com...ntry-small-arms


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Posted 04 March 2018 - 0952 AM

Ever since .300 Whisper/Blackout came to my attention, I thought the cartridge was a good match for the G36C. H&K agrees after many years:

 

HK237 with telescoping butt:

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The intermediate distance weapon for Special Forces

The HK237 is an indirectly gas operated weapon with push rod drive in connection with a rotating bolt head having locking lugs,  in caliber .300 Blackout/.300 Whisper for special ballistical operational scenarios. From the point of view of operational tactics, this intermediate caliber is used especially by police and military special units in connection with a suppressor in low noise close range fights against protected and unprotected targets. The strengths of this caliber are shown above all in urban confined spaces such as fighting in built up areas where the issue is maximum mobility and target effect at short ranges. These are both the fight against primary  targets up to a distance of 150 meters and against secondary targets such as monitoring cameras, light sources, guard dogs, etc.

From a design point of view the HK237 in calibers .300 Blackout/.300 Whisper has been designed on the basis of  the tried and proven G36 in caliber 5.56 mm NATO. An absolutely identical operating and field stripping drill as well as completely ambidextrous operation are thus ensured to the user for both caliber groups. No additional training will be required.

Depending on the customer’s requirement, caliber change will either be carried out by exchanging the complete upper receiver or by changing the barrel inside the weapons original receiver.

The HK237 is available in the barrel lengths 9” and 12.5”.

Features

 
  •    Assault rifle properties with submachine gun dimensions
  •     Low system costs through interchangeable calibers by using existing G36 assault rifles. Achieved by changing the complete upper receiver or by changing the barrel within the current weapon receiver
  •     Low logistical expenditure due to the compatability of G36 spare parts and accessories
  •     A completely ambidextrous weapon
  •     Use of subsonic and/or supersonic ammunition possible without a gas regulator
  •     Compact weapon through a retractable buttstock. Buttstock interface for installation of all current G36 buttstocks allowing ease of storage in vehicles
  •     Drop safety acc. To AC225/D14 with the safety on/off
  •     Sight rail with Mil-STD-1913 profile at 6 an 12o’clock positions. Modular slim line handguard with HKey Interfaces

Operationally proven assault rifle system on the basis of the G36

 

from: https://www.enforcet...t-9937669/hk237

 

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Posted 04 March 2018 - 0955 AM

okay somehow cloudflare double tapped this. Okay then I'll use this space for other news.


as part of IdZ-ES the grenade launcher equipped G36 get the FN Herstal made MCU Mark 3 sight with laser range finder and automatic ballistically adjusted reticle.

 

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http://www.esut.de/e...uer-den-idz-es/

 

 

 

meanwhile the State Police of the Freestate of Bavaria has put out a tender for 7,62*51 cartridges /w deformation bullets for their arsenaled G3 rifles.

 

http://ted.europa.eu...018&WT.rss_ev=a

 

 

designated next Prime minister söder has taked about reinstating the bavarian border police. hmmmm

 

 


Edited by Panzermann, 04 March 2018 - 1010 AM.

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Posted 14 October 2018 - 0250 AM

The "Welt am Sonntag" reports that all rifles tendered as successor to the G36 surprisingly didn't meet all of the Bundeswehr's threshold requirements in pre-contractual comparison tests. Though that may have more to do with dreamworld (or tailored for one specific competitor) requirements, makers have been given until 15 February next year to correct and re-submit, delaying the project by about eight months. It remains unclear what other contenders besides HK are participating after SIG-Sauer and Rheinmetall/Steyr quit during the run-up.


Edited by BansheeOne, 14 October 2018 - 0251 AM.

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Posted 14 October 2018 - 0336 AM

That GL sight is massive waste of money. Buy lots of TP.


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Posted 14 October 2018 - 1227 PM

That GL sight is massive waste of money. Buy lots of TP.

 
Oh, come on, everybody knows that lack of training is perfectly compensated by new expensive toys!


 


The "Welt am Sonntag" reports that all rifles tendered as successor to the G36 surprisingly didn't meet all of the Bundeswehr's threshold requirements in pre-contractual comparison tests. Though that may have more to do with dreamworld (or tailored for one specific competitor) requirements, makers have been given until 15 February next year to correct and re-submit, delaying the project by about eight months. It remains unclear what other contenders besides HK are participating after SIG-Sauer and Rheinmetall/Steyr quit during the run-up.



really, the requirements read like what the swiss must have had in mind, when designing the shooting anvil in the fifties. The high round counts required are really bonkers. An assault rifle is not a machine gun and enver will. And dumb ROE are dumb.

Edited by Panzermann, 14 October 2018 - 1229 PM.

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Posted 17 October 2018 - 1924 PM

The US is trending toward the 6.8mm (and 6.5 Creedmore for precision rifles). Any chance Germany will go that (or similar) route?


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Posted 17 October 2018 - 1932 PM

Share the 90-100k PSI cartridge madness?


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Posted 18 October 2018 - 0742 AM

Share the 90-100k PSI cartridge madness?

 

 

But but but overmatch!

 

 

 

Really, they do not seem to grasp what a rifle is for on the battlefield. The US Army procurement dreams of the lone marksman that singlehandedly shoots the enemies face one after the other.  The Bundeswehr wants a light machine gun it seems from the description having not come to useful conclusions what is wrong with the current rifle and what went wrong in the good friday rencounter. (hint: lack of support fire)


Edited by Panzermann, 18 October 2018 - 0745 AM.

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Posted Yesterday, 03:59 PM

I can see for cops the G36 being useful, no way they ever fire enough rounds for zero to be affected and it`s very light, which will be important for long duty shifts.


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Posted Yesterday, 05:21 PM

Hollywood likes the G36. Much more photogenic than the M16/M4.


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Posted Yesterday, 11:58 PM

Sexier lines. But I was impressed at how little a basic G-36 weighs


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