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#61 Burncycle360

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Posted 10 January 2018 - 1302 PM

Thanks for the replies! The reason I ask is because if the firearm issued is built well enough to run through your entire basic load cyclically just by matter of principle (even if not done in practice) I presume it would be considered sufficiently robust.


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Posted 10 January 2018 - 1356 PM

The question is do you wanna haul this extra weight for something that only some internet sperg would ever do.  The case of US radios is the classic example.  Stinking batteries are heavy enough, the radio case can double as a sandbag.  S/F....Ken M


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Posted 10 January 2018 - 1935 PM

I bet they tried to make the boxes grunt proof.

 

 

But agree, the HK416 is a heavy chunk of aluminium.


 
 

Receiver on the Minimi is too short. It's also built to not last.


Minimi is known to beat itself to death. I think it is widespred, because it is widespread and FN can offer good pricing and quick deliveries.



and sheesh, 38000 expended for naught and killed a few guns. . With 38000 cartridges a lot of training could have been conducted. But military bureaucracy what it is...

Not that I have not done similar. Most fun was getting rid of several boxes of assorted flares on silvester/new year at midnight. Fireworks. :D


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Posted 10 January 2018 - 1958 PM

What 900 rds torture test does to a gun:
 

 
I think that was actually a LMG36 prototype (heavier barrel), not G36 - not only because of the mags used.



hard to say, the vdeo quality is really bad from converting from videotape. And the tape wasn't the best to begin with.


Would be interesting how the G36 is grouping after this abuse. And it wasn't really shot to failure, only the handguard started burning and it worked still after cooling down.

The very consistent ejection is impressive. As one of the men attending also says his swabian.
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Posted 10 January 2018 - 2223 PM

Though safety was a bit lacking. Hand over face seems rather...inadequate.
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Posted 13 January 2018 - 0147 AM

I bet they tried to make the boxes grunt proof.
 
 
But agree, the HK416 is a heavy chunk of aluminium.


 
 

Receiver on the Minimi is too short. It's also built to not last.


Minimi is known to beat itself to death. I think it is widespred, because it is widespread and FN can offer good pricing and quick deliveries.



and sheesh, 38000 expended for naught and killed a few guns. . With 38000 cartridges a lot of training could have been conducted. But military bureaucracy what it is...

Not that I have not done similar. Most fun was getting rid of several boxes of assorted flares on silvester/new year at midnight. Fireworks. :D

The 7.62mm Minimi beats itself to death a lot faster than the 5.56mm version!

Expending ammunition to simplify a quartermasters job is equally fun & frustrating. 120 claymores with no banking allowed? Fun/some training value. 210 x rounds of 84mm Carl Gustaf? Pretty sure caused minor traumatic brain injuries...🤷‍♂
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#67 Simon Tan

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Posted 13 January 2018 - 0217 AM

If my qm told me stupid shit like this, I would have them crucified slowly with pegs.
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Posted 13 January 2018 - 0250 AM

If my qm told me stupid shit like this, I would have them crucified slowly with pegs.


True. But when the OPSO tells you (likely on the QMs behalf) when youre a first year lieutenant, you do what youre told.

Side note: punctuation being stripped from my replies is getting frustrating.
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Posted 13 January 2018 - 0952 AM

Back in the busy-ness after DS-1 when there was lots of field training, I had a Marine reservist tell me of how his unit buried ammo out in the desert rather than dirtying up their guns firing it.

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#70 Simon Tan

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Posted 13 January 2018 - 1057 AM

Command failure.
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Posted 13 January 2018 - 2201 PM

Command failure.


Indeed. Reservists tend to be a bit more laid back than regulars.
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Posted 14 January 2018 - 1320 PM

Command failure.

Indeed. Reservists tend to be a bit more laid back than regulars.

Never have worked with reservists. Did work with US National Guard in Egypt for a bit, though.
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Posted 15 January 2018 - 1428 PM

My reservist unit 173SIR (Singapore Infantry Regiment) was a highly-motivated one. Along with other units of the brigade we were made up of former REMFs whom were combat fit but were not in combat roles during conscription. (I, for example, was in Infantry Brigade S2 during conscription.) I was really sad to leave Singapore at age 30 to work overseas and has since not been in uniform nor heard form the guys.

 

Coincidence of coincidence, in my current company here in Macau I met this Singaporean SVP who looked vaguely familiar. When I asked him about his service, I found out that he was (then) a Bn Cmdr in a brother unit 172SIR that I joined for one two-week in-camp training. 20 years ago.

 

(He rose to Colonel later on in a Division role).

 

Naturally I still address him as "sir" as do several other Singaporeans also here. At 60, he can run 5km in under 30mins.


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Posted 15 January 2018 - 2127 PM

US Army used to issue the M249 as 2 distinct line numbers one TOEs- one as an automatic rifle and one as a light machine gun. The version in the rifle squad was an AR, most other uses that I saw (field artillery batteries, HHCs, etc) were in the LMG role.

 

The LMG was authorized a bunch of ancillary equipment, including spare barrels, that the LMG was not. I'll have to dig around and see if this is still current.

For you special deal 

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#75 Simon Tan

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Posted 16 January 2018 - 0107 AM

I tried one of the L2A1s from Lithgow found in a Police warehouse. These were a terrible idea.
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Posted 16 January 2018 - 0823 AM

'60s were a wild time, remember Israeli 1967 10-men infantry section with 8 x semi FALs, one automatic FAL and one Uzi? :)


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Posted 16 January 2018 - 0936 AM

Do Americans issue Minimis/M249s with a tripod?
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Posted 16 January 2018 - 1003 AM

Do Americans issue Minimis/M249s with a tripod?

 

https://en.wikipedia...ht_Ground_Mount


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#79 Simon Tan

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Posted 16 January 2018 - 1847 PM

249s are not issued with tripods.
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Posted 16 January 2018 - 2006 PM

Simon, like I pointed out before, M249s were issued under 2different LINs/NSNs. One (the automatic rifle) doesn't have a tripod, but the other (the light machine gun) was at least authorized one- I know we had them in 3 different batteries, but I don't remember if they were required or additional authorized items. Still looking for an old technical manual.


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