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#41 bojan

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Posted 21 May 2018 - 1442 PM

Being the footwear of farmers a pair of opanak does not seem too bad to me? Remind me of mocassins. Probably suck for long marches though...

 

They were traditionally worn with thick woolen socks, sometimes with padded soles.


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Posted 21 May 2018 - 1552 PM

Being the footwear of farmers a pair of opanak does not seem too bad to me? Remind me of mocassins. Probably suck for long marches though

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opanak

 

 

 

But as I said, formally and bureaucratically introduced uniforms are all nice and dandy and may even be adequate to good for the purpose. Especially what is up with bad weather gear? We are talking balkan mountains after all.

 

But if Tankovian Royal Treasury cannot pay to equip the army with uniforms for all, it is not much use anyway.

Nah, just issue everyone called up a bottle of olive-green dye.That way they can at least there clothes can be the same color. :)


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Posted 21 May 2018 - 2153 PM

Tankovia is often seen as a bucolic land off the beaten path, let alone the railways of the modern age. This is of course a little myth we like to keep going for the benefit of our neighbours to appear less threatening and competitive. We leave the Greeks, Serbs and Bulgars to take the fight to the Porte while helping them and the odd Pasha to finance these activities using modern fiscal instruments.

 

Tankograd is sometimes called the Balkan London, where people come to make deals and do business. The banks and merchant house are all in New Town on the southern bank of the river. Though lacking the majestic scale of larger capitals, the tree lined boulevards and open squares are elegant and refined places, There is much pride in the splendid General Post Office and Central Exchange building completed not so long ago which has all the modern amenities such as water closets and electric lights! It is said some visit to just marvel at these devices of the modern age.

 

Thus while Tankovia as a nation is prosperous, much of it is held in few private hands. The government in a constitutional monarchy with a unicameral parliament. 

 

The standing army is small, comprising mainly specialist troops. Dragoons comprise a significant part of this as they support the gendarmes in maintaining law and order in the hinterlands. I do not believe we have a levy at this time, though I might be persuaded otherwise. 


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Posted 22 May 2018 - 0722 AM

Why not get rid of Dragoons altogether and make a mounted Gendarmerie like the Netherlands have with the Koninklijke Marechaussee? (Or the canadian mounties, italian carabinieri etc pp) Which should lead to a country wiht a bit more law and order in rural areas, than the average balkan nation with clan feuds dominating the countryside (covering up the regular mutual raiding).

Dunno maybe introduced by a prince that studied in france or netherlands or so adn took notes about code civil and modern law books and enforcement? Tankovia would then have a quickly reacting police force in peace time and "dragoons" in war. Horses are really expensive keeping fed, but a half dozen or dozen or so per police station should be easier supplied from the local farmers.

 

 

recent wars (Napoleon, USCW, franco-prussian...)  have shown that we are going to need a lot of soldiers, so a mandatory conscription? Incentives for voluntary reserve service?

 

Incentives like it being mandatory to get a civil service job for example. Or school grants for up to secondary. University would be a bit much and too expensive I think. Who needs so many eggheads anyway.
 

 

 

Nah, just issue everyone called up a bottle of olive-green dye.That way they can at least there clothes can be the same color. :)

 

Now this is fiscally responsible thinking! :)


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Posted 22 May 2018 - 0817 AM

Good sideways thinking! But rather than issueing dye....which is expensive...I propose to subsidIze the production of cloth of a color and type suitable for making uniforms. Let the commercial market help us to defray costs!
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Posted 22 May 2018 - 0952 AM

Hmmm....all that time in Heidelburg has given you some strange ideas. We are struggling to teach our population to read and write after much angst over what they should learn! To avoid antogonizing different ethnicities...we settled on English!
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Posted 23 May 2018 - 0746 AM

Are you expecting Tankovia to discover it's sitting on oil reserves? I'm not quite sure where itis located in relation to the actually didcovered reserves in the region, but oil would be interesting on top of banking.

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Posted 23 May 2018 - 2250 PM

The regional oil is in Romania. The Ploesti fields are an early source. Perhaps Tankovia has some, enough to spur domestic interest in this internal combustion engine of herr Benz.
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Posted 24 May 2018 - 0415 AM

Hmmm....all that time in Heidelburg has given you some strange ideas. We are struggling to teach our population to read and write after much angst over what they should learn! To avoid antogonizing different ethnicities...we settled on English!

 

English? Stay away from this new-fangled humbug.

 

French I could see for the culturally sophsticated,  Maybe as second or third language for upper class and nobility. French is the language of diplomats and international politics after all.  Also german as foreign language, as we all know all balkan countries border Austria. At least according to TV series MacGyver. The Austrian border must be really crowded. ^_^

 

 

How strong are the panslavists? The russophiles? How does Bulgaria stand towards our own aspirations? What are Tankovias aspirations actually? Dominating the Blakans? Just getting by and not get crushed by neighbours? :unsure:


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Posted 27 May 2018 - 1154 AM

The balance of power in Tankovian politics is evenly balanced between the Central Powers and the Grand Entente, although no faction or party openly sides with a bloc. Officially Tankovia is neutral and peace loving but armed and ready to repel all attackers.The reality is that we have a small standing army with a mix of professionals and conscripts supported by regional reserves and militias. The regional elements tend to be somewhat reflective of their ethnic and cultural composition, militias are not funded from the Royal Treasury so they will have a wide assortment of equipments furnished locally.


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Posted 04 June 2018 - 0834 AM

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Posted 05 June 2018 - 0848 AM

 

This one is cuter!


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Posted 05 June 2018 - 0857 AM

I have fired one, really nice with one exception - it was calibrated for a round-nose ammo. While it was accurate enough with spitzer, spitzer produced much more muzzle blast (especially noticeable in the dusk conditions) than round nosed.


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Posted 05 June 2018 - 1144 AM

The Yugoslavs converted M95s to 8mm Mauser fed with stripper clips. A Mannlicher style en bloc clip in 7x57mm would require a proprietary bidirectional clip a la Commission Mauser. Thus I propose a Steyr-Mauser in 7x57mm using the straight pull bolt of the M95 combined with the double stack Mauser internal box magazine with a standardized 20" Stutzen barrel.


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Posted 05 June 2018 - 1626 PM

I like your idea Simon. However, if you went to a Lee style detachable 10 rounder you could reload with a stripper clip before your mag was empty. It would also leave the door open to using larger capacity detachable magazines to reload. I read somewhere that the M95 had a weak extractor that was prone to breakage - you might want to sort that out. 


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Posted 05 June 2018 - 1629 PM

Detachable adds complication of people losing mags.

 

Only 95s that had weak extractor were Yugoslavian M.95M and M.95/24. But that weakness was only a matter if you were single loading by pushing a round into the chamber, extractor would snap as it jumped over the rim.

PS. There was also rare as hens teeth M1910 artillery carbine (only 200 were delivered):

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Posted 06 June 2018 - 0324 AM

That is tres sexy.


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Posted 06 June 2018 - 0602 AM

I like your idea Simon. However, if you went to a Lee style detachable 10 rounder you could reload with a stripper clip before your mag was empty. It would also leave the door open to using larger capacity detachable magazines to reload. I read somewhere that the M95 had a weak extractor that was prone to breakage - you might want to sort that out. 

 

The ten round magazine seems like a good idea, but in reality you end up having only a first volley of ten and then reloads of five, because taking the time to push in five twice takes longer effectively because of the higher reisitence in the magazine than just pushing in five and then later when empty five again. There are very good reasons that most went with just five. There are the odd swiss with six or the french berthier with either three or five. Okay, most other rifles were Mausers. ;)

 

The original British idea seems to have been to carry magazines for reloads for the Lee rifles, but that went out the window, when it was found that the magazines are too hard to produce in large numbers and they get lost. hence the little chains on some Lees. And not to forget that the designated successor the P13 and P14 rifles went with five round Mauser style stripper clips. So even the British Army thought, that the ten round magazine falls under "it ssemed like a good idea at the time", but turned out to not be. It wasn't teeribly bad, but not great either considering the effort. Stripper clips are so much cheaper and fixed magazines are more reliable..


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Posted 06 June 2018 - 0608 AM

The Yugoslavs converted M95s to 8mm Mauser fed with stripper clips. A Mannlicher style en bloc clip in 7x57mm would require a proprietary bidirectional clip a la Commission Mauser. Thus I propose a Steyr-Mauser in 7x57mm using the straight pull bolt of the M95 combined with the double stack Mauser internal box magazine with a standardized 20" Stutzen barrel.

 

Why not rotary Schönauer style magazines? When you buy Steyr, go all the way.


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Posted 06 June 2018 - 0623 AM

Cause it was maintenance nightmare.


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