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#1 Rick

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Posted 30 November 2019 - 1037 AM

Have not heard much myself of the Czech arms industry, but they seem to have been rather good from little I know, ie the BREN machine gun. Reasons? 


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#2 shep854

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Posted 30 November 2019 - 1049 AM

That, the VZ58 and the CZ75. They gave produced their share of quirky designs, though.
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#3 Wobbly Head

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Posted 30 November 2019 - 1915 PM

They are very good even the civilian rifles are good I have a CZ527 in 7.62x39 it's a real tac driver light and easy to wield. The problem is they got lumpped into the eastern block weapons are crap, USA #1 mentality by most gun enthusiasts which they definately don't deserve. Yes I know they are not Eastern block but geography has never been a strong point for most Americans. The Czech have always been good gun makers but historically been cursed with bad neighbors who took advantage of their industry.
They are coming out of that shadow and are getting the respect they deserve.

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#4 17thfabn

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Posted 30 November 2019 - 2008 PM

Wasn't  

Czechoslovakia

  a center for arms production when it was part of the Austrian Empire?


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#5 Markus Becker

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Posted 01 December 2019 - 0605 AM

It was for everything from pistols to 12" naval guns. I'm not sure about rifles though. Crsenal ever only mentioned Steyer and FEG when talking about AH military rifles.
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#6 bojan

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Posted 01 December 2019 - 0803 AM

It was for everything from pistols to 12" naval guns. I'm not sure about rifles though. Crsenal ever only mentioned Steyer and FEG when talking about AH military rifles.

They did not make any pistols in the "modern" (metallic cartridge) period. Other than iconic siege pieces most A-H artillery was actually not Skoda design. 8cm and 10cm field guns/howitzers were Wienna artillery works, 15cm howitzers were also not Skoda etc. Confusion comes from a fact that a lot of those were modernized post-WW1 by Skoda.

Skoda had their series of export field 75/105/150mm guns/howitzers (105mm was exported to Turkey), but A-H military commision categorically refused to introduce those, choosing obsolete, bronze barrel "in-house" design for 8cm FH M.05.


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Posted 01 December 2019 - 0913 AM

Here in the US, their newer P-09 and P-10 handguns have gotten very positive reviews, especially for accuracy. 


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#8 Markus Becker

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Posted 01 December 2019 - 1338 PM

"They did not make any pistols in the "modern" (metallic cartridge) period."

But Czechoslovakian engineers worked on such guns for AH manufacturers outside the later Czechoslovakia, didn't they?

Massive facepalm to AH artillery procurement.

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#9 GregShaw

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Posted 01 December 2019 - 2236 PM

Like Wobbly Head I have a modern rifle, in my case a CZ 455 rimfire still a stock iron sighted trainer model. One of these days I'll buy a new barrel and set it up as a .17 HMR for a medium range varmint gun. As is it puts any current US mass production made rimfire to shame. I bought it to shoot smallbore matches, and anything not in the X-ring is my fault or the ammo, not the rifle's.


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#10 Rick

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Posted 02 December 2019 - 0508 AM

From what little I know, I think Italy would have done well to look at the Czechs for their machine guns. 


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#11 bojan

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Posted 02 December 2019 - 0930 AM

But Czechoslovakian engineers worked on such guns for AH manufacturers outside the later Czechoslovakia, didn't they?


Krnka was a co-developer od Roth-Krnka 1907 pistol, but so was V. Teodorovic from Steyr (Serb), and A. Budimirovic (Croat) worked on trigger mechanism.
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Posted 02 December 2019 - 0932 AM

From what little I know, I think Italy would have done well to look at the Czechs for their machine guns. 


Political no-go for both.
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#13 Chris Werb

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Posted 02 December 2019 - 1324 PM

I've had quite a few CZ452 and 455 rifles and carbines in .22LR and .17HMR. All were superb. In rim fire bolt action, for pest control, I wouldn't buy anything else.
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#14 Markus Becker

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Posted 02 December 2019 - 1558 PM

From what little I know, I think Italy would have done well to look at the Czechs for their machine guns.


Political no-go for both.

How so? The Czech alliance with France and the Franco Italian rivalry?
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Posted 02 December 2019 - 1625 PM

For Czech - Czech-Yugoslavia-Romania alliance that saw Italy (along with Austria and Hungary) as a main potential enemy.


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#16 Rick

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Posted 02 December 2019 - 1808 PM

 

From what little I know, I think Italy would have done well to look at the Czechs for their machine guns. 


Political no-go for both.

 


Edited by Rick, 02 December 2019 - 1809 PM.

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#17 Rick

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Posted 02 December 2019 - 1810 PM

For Czech - Czech-Yugoslavia-Romania alliance that saw Italy (along with Austria and Hungary) as a main potential enemy.

When did this start? I admit my ignorance on this part of the world and time. 


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#18 Markus Becker

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Posted 03 December 2019 - 0312 AM

Right after 1918/19 I guess. The CSR came into being, while Romania and Serbia gained a lot of territory and in Serbia's case territory the Italians wanted too. They had a slice of today's Slovenia but they wanted much more along the Adriatic coast.
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Posted 04 December 2019 - 2108 PM

Breda Modelo 30 bitches.
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