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#1 rmgill

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Posted 13 August 2018 - 1535 PM

I hadn't realize that any of the big Martin Flying Boats were still in operation.

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Posted 13 August 2018 - 1727 PM

I hadn't realize that any of the big Martin Flying Boats were still in operation.
 

 

 

 

I thought the mars are used for fire figting?


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Posted 13 August 2018 - 1747 PM

Wikipedia says the one remaining airworthy Mars is no longer used for fire fighting.
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Posted 13 August 2018 - 1957 PM

I used to watch these fly over my house and I have watched them at work on fires, impressive is not an adequate word. they are missed and debate rages still here about the way it was handled.


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Posted 13 August 2018 - 2248 PM

Only 7 were built


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Posted 14 August 2018 - 0155 AM

I remember a good feature in Flypast magazine about 20 years ago, and they had 3 of them firebombing back then. They also had a 4th one dismantled for spares.


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Posted 14 August 2018 - 1241 PM

I used to watch these fly over my house and I have watched them at work on fires, impressive is not an adequate word. they are missed and debate rages still here about the way it was handled.

 

 

I remember from a documentary I watched years ago, that they were running out of replacement engines and completely rebuilding engines would have been too expensive.

 

 

If canada wants fire extinguicher flying boats, Beriev has the planes to sell. ;)


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Posted 14 August 2018 - 1624 PM

We make our own very effective amphibious water bombers thanks.

https://en.m.wikiped...Canadair_CL-415
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Posted 14 August 2018 - 2030 PM

We make our own very effective amphibious water bombers thanks.

https://en.m.wikiped...Canadair_CL-415

Bombardier stopped making them in 2015. Viking Air bought the type certificate, as they did for the DHC line. I don't know if they've put it back in production or have any serious plans to do so.
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Posted 15 August 2018 - 0310 AM

I thought this was an interesting solution, if not quite as ideal as a flyingboat. At least with that kind of load you dont need to fill up as often.

 

https://en.wikipedia...747_Supertanker


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Posted 15 August 2018 - 0739 AM

All kinds of aircraft are being modified for fire tankers; it seems to be much cheaper than purpose-built a/c.  There is a photo from the current CA fires of a DC-9 dropping retardant!


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Posted 15 August 2018 - 0748 AM

I saw something some months ago about the USAF (or maybe reserve) had a palletized system, which you hooked up to the side doors and could turn the C130 into a firebomber. Pretty clever idea, wish the RAF would consider that for when we get moor fires.


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Posted 15 August 2018 - 1105 AM

I think the flying boats have the fastest turn around time. Scooping water at 1000 lbs a second is more efficient than any pumps you could reasonably wheel up to an aircraft after getting into a patter, landing, taxing, rolling up on the hard stand, shutting down and then starting up again and getting take off clearance.

 


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Posted 15 August 2018 - 1249 PM

Flying boats and other amphibians have their limitations. For example, the Martin Mars was limited in the number of lakes it could use to scoop water from. On top of that you have risks from deadheads and idiot boaters getting in the way.

In BC we use a combination of helicopters with Bambi buckets, Air Tractors, with and without floats, and land based fixed wing.
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Posted 15 August 2018 - 1355 PM

Also, the land-based aircraft aren't dropping water, but a retardant slurry (hence the orange color) that is more effective than just water.
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Posted 15 August 2018 - 1459 PM

All kinds of aircraft are being modified for fire tankers; it seems to be much cheaper than purpose-built a/c.  There is a photo from the current CA fires of a DC-9 dropping retardant!

DC-9 or MD-87?

 

Lots of goodness here! http://fireaviation.com/tag/md-87/


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Posted 15 August 2018 - 1831 PM

The big Sikorsky helicopter has a scoop.

 

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Posted 15 August 2018 - 1836 PM

I think that's technically  a suction hose.


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