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#1 Mighty_Zuk

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Posted 19 March 2019 - 1515 PM

Didn't find a proper thread for this, so decided to make a new one.

IDF recently unveiled the Namer ARV it intends to bring to service. Production will run until 2022, and will deliver to all active armored brigades (total of 3 plus one instructional).

 

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Edited by Mighty_Zuk, 19 March 2019 - 1516 PM.

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#2 Panzermann

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Posted 19 March 2019 - 1716 PM

As with any thing Merkava, it is backwards. ^_^

 

 

 

Good they now have an ARV with a crane, but the placement on top of the hull kills the view for the driver and TC. Bergepanzer 2 and 3 have the crane fit flush so the TC has a good view all around. So does the russian BREM-1 and others. I guess they did not want to change too much from the base Namer?

 

 

And well a production run of four vehicles is not much. I assume they are to be assigend to brigade level recovery unit?


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Posted 19 March 2019 - 1758 PM

As with any thing Merkava, it is backwards. ^_^
 
 
 
Good they now have an ARV with a crane, but the placement on top of the hull kills the view for the driver and TC. Bergepanzer 2 and 3 have the crane fit flush so the TC has a good view all around. So does the russian BREM-1 and others. I guess they did not want to change too much from the base Namer?
 
 
And well a production run of four vehicles is not much. I assume they are to be assigend to brigade level recovery unit?


Not four vehicles, but four brigades. One the training brigade the other three active service, regular brigades. The number of vehicles per brigade will be more than one

Edited by Marsh, 19 March 2019 - 1800 PM.

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Posted 19 March 2019 - 1841 PM

 

 


Not four vehicles, but four brigades. One the training brigade the other three active service, regular brigades. The number of vehicles per brigade will be more than one

 

 

Ah misread that. :blush:

 

So anyone got a number?


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Posted 19 March 2019 - 1850 PM

 

 

 


Not four vehicles, but four brigades. One the training brigade the other three active service, regular brigades. The number of vehicles per brigade will be more than one

 

 

Ah misread that. :blush:

 

So anyone got a number?

 

to all active armored brigades (total of 3 plus one instructional).

So, 4 per brigade = 12 + 4 = 16.
 


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Posted 21 March 2019 - 0419 AM

As with any thing Merkava, it is backwards. ^_^
 
 
 
Good they now have an ARV with a crane, but the placement on top of the hull kills the view for the driver and TC. Bergepanzer 2 and 3 have the crane fit flush so the TC has a good view all around. So does the russian BREM-1 and others. I guess they did not want to change too much from the base Namer?
 
 
And well a production run of four vehicles is not much. I assume they are to be assigend to brigade level recovery unit?


It's not exactly sitting on the hull, but "floating" above it, so the driver and commander still have a good view.

In the driver's case, it's directly above him, so it doesnt block his view at all.

The commander's view can be somewhat blocked if the vehicle is on some side slope.
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Posted 27 March 2019 - 1123 AM

IDF signed a contract worth $125 million to buy new howitzers from Elbit.

 

http://ir.elbitsyste.../node/16041/pdf

 

HAIFA, Israel, March 27, 2019 -- Elbit Systems Ltd. announced today that it was awarded an approximately $125 million (NIS 460 million) contract from the Israeli Ministry of Defense ("IMOD") to supply fully automatic self-propelled howitzer gun systems to the Israeli Defense Forces ("IDF"). The contract, which also includes the supply of training simulators, will be performed over a 12-year period.

 

The IMOD and Elbit Systems intend that further part of the automatic howitzer gun systems program, under an additional contract to the Company in an amount that is expected to be material, will be performed by various U.S. companies including Elbit Systems of America, LLC, subject to completion of the receipt of applicable governmental approvals for the U.S. content.

 

The new automatic howitzer gun system is based on know-how and experience the Company accumulated over decades of supplying artillery systems to numerous armed forces. The new howitzer gun system is capable of automatic loading and laying. According to the applicable mission, the new gun system automatically selects the required projectile, propellant and fuze, loads them and lays the gun to optimally engage targets. The new howitzer gun system will enhance the effectiveness of the artillery formation of the IDF while reducing the number soldiers in each platform and significantly reduce life-cycle costs.

 

Bezhalel (Butzi) Machlis, President and CEO of Elbit Systems, commented: "We are proud to take part in building the future artillery formation of the IDF. This contract award is a vote of confidence in Israeli defense technology and an acknowledgment of the international leadership of Elbit Systems in the area of artillery systems. We believe that effective integration of precision, rapidity and autonomy together with a built-in connectivity to the communication and command & control systems will become the required standard. We are witnessing a growing need for advanced and reliable artillery systems that enable powerful and efficient operation in all combat configurations."

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#8 Simon Tan

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Posted 28 March 2019 - 0322 AM

Tracked...wheeled...manned or unmanned?


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Posted 28 March 2019 - 1906 PM

Tracked...wheeled...manned or unmanned?

1st batch - wheeled.

2nd batch - tracked.

 

Every batch is ~100 units.

 

Vehicle is manned, but the turret is completely unmanned and will be unitary for both platforms.


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Posted 28 March 2019 - 2352 PM

Like DONAR.


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Posted 29 March 2019 - 0335 AM

Like DONAR.


Sort of. But Donar is a German weapons system and thus would probably be politically problematic.

I can already imagine it being used to bomb some Syrian warehouse or a Hamas outpost, and half the German media would go "reeeeeeeee!" at us, as if they've never seen war. Even though they're in NATO smh.
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Posted 29 March 2019 - 0343 AM

Yes but conceptually similar. Basically fully automated ammunition handling and laying with very limited manual back up capability. 


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Posted 29 March 2019 - 0349 AM

Yes but conceptually similar. Basically fully automated ammunition handling and laying with very limited manual back up capability. 


Yep. I dont know how Donar gives the option of manual backup, since I've never seen it loading. But it's not going to be Archer-tier lack of manual backup.
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Posted 14 April 2019 - 1703 PM

Some news:

  1. 188th brigade has been selected to receive the new Merkava 4 Barack MBTs, starting 2021.
  2. The 401st brigade is currently receiving new Merkava 4M tanks with an unspecified improved FCS.
  3. The 847th brigade completed the transition of one battalion and is in the process of transitioning the remaining 2 battalions to the Merkava 4 (without Trophy).
  4. The 434th brigade has received new BMS for all its tanks.
  5. Development of the Merkava 4 Barack is said to be in full swing.

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#15 Simon Tan

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Posted 15 April 2019 - 0255 AM

I guess the old Merks are being reroled.
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Posted 15 April 2019 - 0656 AM

I guess the old Merks are being reroled.


No guessing needed. The IDF produces ~30 tanks per year. Exactly enough for a battalion plus spares and experimentation.

Ever since it filled up all armored units with the required tanks and set the needed amount of brigades, it has been decommissioning tanks at a rate of 30 tanks per year as well.

Every year, one active forces' battalion gets new tanks and transfers its old tanks to a reserve battalion, whose former tanks are put out of service or repurposed.

At this rate the IDF also manages to fully replace the oldest tanks when they're only a few years short of 40. That's the amount of time any MBT is expected to serve, with upgrades, after it's produced, and it gives some time to account for possible delays that would last several years.
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Posted 15 April 2019 - 0752 AM

What is a IDF armored Co org? 3 or 4 tanks plts?


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Posted 15 April 2019 - 1642 PM

What is a IDF armored Co org? 3 or 4 tanks plts?

there were 3 tanks per platoon before that. Now there are 2. I don't remember the current composition of the company, or even the exact current amount of tanks in a battalion.


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Posted 16 April 2019 - 1646 PM

Were the Merkava 2s 40 years old when retired?
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Posted 17 April 2019 - 0316 AM

Were the Merkava 2s 40 years old when retired?

They will be. The first Merkava 2 was made in 1983. The last brigade of Merkava 2 tanks should receive new Mark 4 tanks by the end of 2023. And by that I mean they will have the whole brigade replaced by then.


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