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#1 Brian Kennedy

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Posted 22 February 2017 - 2035 PM

Just got back from a trip there, is awesome country full of great food and booze and wonderful people, please visit immediately. But why the hell is their military so big and relatively cutting edge? They've got a population of 16 mil and no direct threats, they're on the lower tier of first-world, and they're running 200 Leopard 2s... https://en.m.wikiped...litary_of_Chile
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#2 Simon Tan

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Posted 22 February 2017 - 2055 PM

Errr....Pinochet. legacy.
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#3 Brian Kennedy

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Posted 22 February 2017 - 2126 PM

27. Years. Ago.


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Posted 22 February 2017 - 2129 PM

One leg of the 3-legged eternal arms race between Argentina, Brazil, and Chile. That's what you get when you let the Prussians build a foundation for your defence policy.


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Posted 22 February 2017 - 2133 PM

It is a country difficult to defend.


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#6 Brian Kennedy

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Posted 22 February 2017 - 2147 PM

One leg of the 3-legged eternal arms race between Argentina, Brazil, and Chile. That's what you get when you let the Prussians build a foundation for your defence policy.

 

Naw, that's sort of like saying "the eternal arms race between Britain, Germany and France" nowadays. Doesn't add up. Esp considering the Argies are in the gutter now.


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#7 Cinaruco

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Posted 22 February 2017 - 2218 PM

27. Years. Ago.

The point remains that the military in Chile has remained as a point of pride for them, making politicians, even Bachelet, very mindful about military spending. Then there is the Bolivia issue, and the fact. Brazil has a mammoth military, even if Argentina doesn't. There was concern in the more... conservative Chileans about the left gaining allot of ground in Brazil up until a few months ago. 

 

Also, they have an excellent economy, and have been spared the political turmoil in the past half century that eroded their neighbors. Also part of Pinochet's legacy.


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#8 FlyingCanOpener

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Posted 22 February 2017 - 2231 PM

 

One leg of the 3-legged eternal arms race between Argentina, Brazil, and Chile. That's what you get when you let the Prussians build a foundation for your defence policy.

 

Naw, that's sort of like saying "the eternal arms race between Britain, Germany and France" nowadays. Doesn't add up. Esp considering the Argies are in the gutter now.

 

 

Absolutely adds up when you consider that these are the same 3 nations with similar histories and economies that bought dreadnoughts 100 years ago for no other reason than the other nations bought them. Add in the Prussian tradition in the military, Pinochet, not a lot of strategic depth, valuable natural resources, fear of Brazil's size, and the generally icy relations with Argentina regardless of who was in charge leads to a well-maintained and state of the art military. Besides, Chile started looking for Leopard 2's in the last years of the Pinochet regime, only getting the Dutch surplus ones in 1998, so it's not like a couple of years ago they decided to get some tanks. 


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#9 Brian Kennedy

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Posted 22 February 2017 - 2249 PM

Thanks for the input, y'all! I do think it's an interesting dynamic. It also seems like somebody with a brain is in charge of their purchases -- competent but not flashy kit. 


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#10 Simon Tan

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Posted 23 February 2017 - 0229 AM

Argentina... Peron.
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Posted 23 February 2017 - 0516 AM

They even use Panzerlied as the song of their Armored forces.

 

https://youtu.be/dhRH4lLsqYo?t=7m5s


Edited by sunday, 23 February 2017 - 0520 AM.

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#12 urbanoid

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Posted 23 February 2017 - 0546 AM

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#13 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 23 February 2017 - 0603 AM

Oh man, that is hilarious. Particularly the bit about the cannon melting. :D


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#14 Markus Becker

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Posted 23 February 2017 - 0833 AM

Brazil? The two don't even share a border! Bolivia's military looks interesting from a military history fan's POV. They have 3rd Reich era 7.5cm guns in service.  :wub:

 

However Bolivia also looks politically instable, with Morales changing the constitution to remain in power. 


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#15 Richard Lindquist

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Posted 23 February 2017 - 0956 AM

They even use Panzerlied as the song of their Armored forces.

 

https://youtu.be/dhRH4lLsqYo?t=7m5s

 

Also Preussens Gloriae

 


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#16 Cinaruco

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Posted 23 February 2017 - 1315 PM

Brazil? The two don't even share a border! Bolivia's military looks interesting from a military history fan's POV. They have 3rd Reich era 7.5cm guns in service.  :wub:

 

However Bolivia also looks politically instable, with Morales changing the constitution to remain in power. 

No. They share a buffer called Bolivia.

 

When Lula and Chavez met with Evo in 2006 Chavez said, in Bolivia, that he would someday bathe in a Bolivian Beach, meaning the Pacific. The Chileans didn't like a warmonger buying billions of Russian made stuff with oil money for some reason.


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#17 Panzermann

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Posted 24 February 2017 - 1822 PM

Bolivia maintains a navy to this day. They consider themselves a high seas navy, temporarily disconnected from their harbour...


There are still lots of old grudges to be settled.
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Posted 24 February 2017 - 1951 PM

Looking at Bolivia's kit, looks like they'd have to rely on allies stationed there to have a chance against Chile.  But usually nobody invades these days unless defending emigres or similar ethnic problems. 

 

That Polandball was clutch, btw. :D


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#19 RETAC21

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Posted 02 March 2017 - 1427 PM

The reason why Chile historically has had above regional par forces has to do with Peru and Bolivia not letting go 1879 (peace negotiations ran until 1929!) and then Argentina's assertiveness in the South, the country has no strategical depth so it relies on deterrence. They also picked up good teachers, the Germans for the Army and the British for the Navy so they look the part.


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#20 Brian Kennedy

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Posted 03 March 2017 - 1803 PM

4800 Chilean Marines!
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