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#1 Panzermann

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Posted 19 July 2017 - 0957 AM

Asahai Shinbun reports:
 

Japan quietly inks deal with Germany on defense sharing
By RYO AIBARA/ Staff Writer
July 19, 2017 at 15:00 JST

 
Japan has quietly signed an agreement with Germany that will open the door for cooperation on defense technology development.
At Germany's request, no formal announcement was made.
However, several government sources confirmed that the agreement on the transfer of defense equipment and technology had been signed in Berlin between Ambassador Takeshi Yagi and Katrin Suder, a state secretary in the German Defense Ministry.

The agreement is the eighth of its kind for Japan. The United States, France and Britain are among countries with which Japan has similar pacts.
According to Defense Ministry sources, the agreement will give Japan the means to develop faster tanks that can serve as troop transport carriers for use by the Ground Self-Defense Force in Japan's outlying islands. Germany's tank technology is highly regarded.

The agreement falls under revised principles on the transfer of defense equipment that allows Japan to jointly develop defense technology under certain conditions.
Those principles obligate partner nations to strictly manage information with regard to weapons capability, such as when using the technology for purposes other than the original objective or passing on the information to third parties.
The principles also call for transparency when sharing the information. That raised concerns within the Defense Ministry about a possible public backlash as Germany had long insisted that the agreement not be formally divulged.
The accord reflects Japan's policy of improving defense technology cooperation with European nations. Japan signed a defense equipment and technology transfer agreement with Italy in May and has also begun joint research with Britain designed for missile development.


http://www.asahi.com...1707190028.html


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#2 JasonJ

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Posted 19 July 2017 - 1016 AM

The transparency bit will be interesting. The industries that made the Type 10 and the Leopard2A6 cooperating gives some interesting prospects, but I think cooperation will be limited. Probably for the same reason why Germany wants to keep things quiet about it.


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#3 Panzermann

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Posted 19 July 2017 - 1107 AM

Germany keeping quiet is mostly for domestic reasons. There is a federal election in autumn and the CDU led BmVg does not want to give munitions to their coalition partner SPD and the opposition parties for their campaigns.
 
 
The Type 89 IFV is ageing, so looking for help in developing the successor is probabaly not the worst idea. The japanese although slow to actually build their equipment in numbers at least have a reasonable plan to develop their armed forces into the future. whereas NATO style is more like suddenly waking up to a requirement and then scrambling to start a programme in a knee-jerk. :glare: enough of the rant.
 
Well sharing developments of components may save costs, though for the special japanese requitrements they will probabaly design their own smaller more compact vehicles around them. For future cooperation I can see development of missiles and other expensive sub-systems.
 
 

Also german industry is well versed in navigating export restrictions. ;)
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Posted 19 July 2017 - 1122 AM

Domestic politics could have been guessed to be a reason. But relations with China is another factor from my perspective. If there is any military equipment that China hates to see more than American purchased abroad, it's Japanese. So I would expect Chinese pressure to develop on Germany's access to China's market over military exchanges. But at the same time, the Japanese industry will be sensitive about certain technologies being leaked. Such concerns over Soyru tech developed when Australia changed its requirement to have their new subs be built in Australia rather than bought off the shelf. There was relief in Japan that they lost that bid. While at the same time, China voiced its opposition to Australia for considering Japanese subs. Well, I hate to get so political in this thread giving that it's in the AFV forum.

Well I reckon it'll mostly be for small components and such as described. Yeah Type 89 is getting a little old.
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Posted 19 July 2017 - 1237 PM

 

According to Defense Ministry sources, the agreement will give Japan the means to develop faster tanks that can serve as troop transport carriers for use by the Ground Self-Defense Force in Japan's outlying islands. Germany's tank technology is highly regarded.

 

"[F]aster tanks that can serve as troop transports" = IFV

 

IMO sounds like Japan will get access to some Puma-related technologies.


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Posted 19 July 2017 - 1658 PM

Will there be any clandestine shipments of defense technology to Japan via submarine?  


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Posted 19 July 2017 - 1756 PM

Will there be any clandestine shipments of defense technology to Japan via submarine?  

 

:lol: No I doubt that. today you could smuggle in normal ISO containers between the hundreds of other boxes on the freighter. ;)


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Posted 19 July 2017 - 2212 PM

Perhaps now Japan will finally get that Tiger tank the Germans sold to them during the war but were never able to deliver.


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Posted 20 July 2017 - 0019 AM

 

Will there be any clandestine shipments of defense technology to Japan via submarine?  

 

:lol: No I doubt that. today you could smuggle in normal ISO containers between the hundreds of other boxes on the freighter. ;)

 

as long as they don't transship through Shanghai 


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Posted 20 July 2017 - 0042 AM

Couldn't stop myself...

 

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Posted 20 July 2017 - 0816 AM

Germany keeping quiet is mostly for domestic reasons. There is a federal election in autumn and the CDU led BmVg does not want to give munitions to their coalition partner SPD and the opposition parties for their campaigns.
 
 
The Type 89 IFV is ageing, so looking for help in developing the successor is probabaly not the worst idea. The japanese although slow to actually build their equipment in numbers at least have a reasonable plan to develop their armed forces into the future. whereas NATO style is more like suddenly waking up to a requirement and then scrambling to start a programme in a knee-jerk. :glare: enough of the rant.
 
Well sharing developments of components may save costs, though for the special japanese requitrements they will probabaly design their own smaller more compact vehicles around them. For future cooperation I can see development of missiles and other expensive sub-systems.
 
 

Also german industry is well versed in navigating export restrictions. ;)

 

Why would there be domestic problems in Germany?  I can see not wanting to upset China, but Japan's solely defensive ground forces orientation shouldn't upset anyone.


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Posted 20 July 2017 - 0950 AM

Anything that could be seen as a revival of 3rd Reich ideas, would be loved by the Left.


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