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Posted 15 March 2019 - 0351 AM

I actually think this warrants its own thread. It's an Anders Breivik/Baruch Goldstein-level event.
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Posted 15 March 2019 - 0352 AM

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Posted 15 March 2019 - 0353 AM

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Posted 15 March 2019 - 0401 AM

I actually think this warrants its own thread. It's an Anders Breivik/Baruch Goldstein-level event.


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Posted 15 March 2019 - 0419 AM

Maybe MODERATOR can transfer the recent posts to the new thread just created.
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Posted 15 March 2019 - 0636 AM

New Zealand Attack posts moved to http://www.tank-net....showtopic=43863so this topic has its own thread.


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Posted 27 June 2019 - 1143 AM

Sometimes you just luck out. A 39-year-old Bosnian named as Adis A., who has been linked to at least one of the guns found at the Bataclan four years ago, has been arrested in Germany on a Belgian warrant. Police came across him while investigating the case of two other Bosnians, aged 17 and 28, who were initially detained by Federal Police at Dresden Central Station back in February on suspicion of illegal entry into the country. Their car was also searched for drugs; instead, officers found a total of 17 hand grenades in packages of different sizes, suggesting delivery to multiple orders. Sounds like a Balkan gunrunner ring, something long thought to have supplied the weapons to the Paris terrorists (and about any other somewhat ambitious criminal in Europe).

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Posted 27 June 2019 - 1703 PM

Sometimes you just luck out. A 39-year-old Bosnian named as Adis A., who has been linked to at least one of the guns found at the Bataclan four years ago, has been arrested in Germany on a Belgian warrant. Police came across him while investigating the case of two other Bosnians, aged 17 and 28, who were initially detained by Federal Police at Dresden Central Station back in February on suspicion of illegal entry into the country. Their car was also searched for drugs; instead, officers found a total of 17 hand grenades in packages of different sizes, suggesting delivery to multiple orders. Sounds like a Balkan gunrunner ring, something long thought to have supplied the weapons to the Paris terrorists (and about any other somewhat ambitious criminal in Europe).

 

Balkan Gunrunners? Thought the French "terrs" got their product thru Marseilles--it IS famous for being a haunt for smugglers and plentiful AKs for the Narcothugs to get their hands on.


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Posted 29 June 2019 - 0336 AM

And who do you think supplies Marseilles? :D

 

Seriously, most illegal military-grade weapons in Europe today originated in the Balkans - I've seen estimates of 3.5 million which entered the black market after the Yugoslavian Wars and other regional events like the 1997 Albanian "lottery rebellion". There are some other sources; ex-Soviet troops who sold them before withdrawing from ex-Warsaw Pact countries, sloppily deactivated and re-activated assault rifles from Slovakia and adjacent places, state/overseas supplies to Cold War terrorists like American and Libyan guns for the PIRA, and of course those stolen from domestic forces. Weapons from the Libyan civil war will probably make their way across the Mediterranean, too.

 

The guy who shot up the kosher supermarket in Paris in 2015 carried two Czech vz.58 assault rifles made in 1961 and 1964 respectively, converted to fire blanks in 2013/14 and re-converted after sale to a Frenchman by a Slovakian gun shop the latter year. Same for a total of four Tokarev TT 33 pistols made in 1951/52 he had; an old Nagant M1895 revolver was also found at his apartment. An additional TT 33 and 15 vz.58s along with to re-activated Berettas were found at a gunshop near Lille, run by a former Front National security type who embarrassingly turned out to be a police informer since 2013 - he claimed he had bought the guns as part of a Gendarmerie sting operation against gun traffickers (shades of "Fast and Furious").

 

One of the vz.58s used in the attack also seems to have come via a Belgian gun collector who bought it on site from the Slovakian shop. The same shop was the source for four vz.61 Skorpion SMGs mail-ordered by a German student of mechatronics who seems to have made a business out of re-activating deacts and selling them on for ten times the price. The Skorpion is a bit of a status symbol among European criminals; the four in this case were destined for a British serial burglar who ordered them from jail by cellphone. Another German also ordered three dozen Skorpions for conversion purposes from the Slovakian shop, separately sourcing raw tubes for new barrels from Austria; he already had a prior conviction for supplying the para-military Hoffmann right-wing group with a dozen SMGs and five hand grenades in the late 90s.

 

The "Charlie Hebdo" attackers had Zastava M70s, as had the terrorists who shot up the Paris restaurants in November 2015. An M70 made for the Yugoslavian territorial defense forces in 1981 was also found at the Bataclan concert hall along with a Chinese Norinco AK thought to have come from Albania, a Bulgarian AK made in 1985, and by one unconfirmed claim an East German MPi-K AK variant; apparently some of the latter were sold to parties in the Yugoslavian Wars after decommissioning, sawn apart and welded back together, and a number have surfaced in Belgium.

 

Part of the Balkans pipeline was uncovered earlier that year when a Bosnian was found with 13 rifles and ten hand grenades in his car during a routine check by Danish border personnel after disembarking the ferry from Germany. The immediate source was a Bosnian ex-cop who was arrested along with a German accomplice while traveling in Germany with four disassembled M70s, 25 hand grenades and two other "explosive devices" in their car. The same month as the Bataclan attack happened, a Montenegrinian was also stopped on the autobahn with eight AKs in his car. And so on.


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Posted 29 June 2019 - 0420 AM

 I keep getting annoyed at a clip they keep looping on CNN claiming the guns in the Paris attacks were AK47's.


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Posted 29 June 2019 - 0529 AM

Par for the course.

You know the journalist's guide to firearms.

 

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Posted 29 June 2019 - 0608 AM

And who do you think supplies Marseilles? :D

 

Seriously, most illegal military-grade weapons in Europe today originated in the Balkans - I've seen estimates of 3.5 million which entered the black market after the Yugoslavian Wars and other regional events like the 1997 Albanian "lottery rebellion". There are some other sources; ex-Soviet troops who sold them before withdrawing from ex-Warsaw Pact countries, sloppily deactivated and re-activated assault rifles from Slovakia and adjacent places, state/overseas supplies to Cold War terrorists like American and Libyan guns for the PIRA, and of course those stolen from domestic forces. Weapons from the Libyan civil war will probably make their way across the Mediterranean, too.

 

The guy who shot up the kosher supermarket in Paris in 2015 carried two Czech vz.58 assault rifles made in 1961 and 1964 respectively, converted to fire blanks in 2013/14 and re-converted after sale to a Frenchman by a Slovakian gun shop the latter year. Same for a total of four Tokarev TT 33 pistols made in 1951/52 he had; an old Nagant M1895 revolver was also found at his apartment. An additional TT 33 and 15 vz.58s along with to re-activated Berettas were found at a gunshop near Lille, run by a former Front National security type who embarrassingly turned out to be a police informer since 2013 - he claimed he had bought the guns as part of a Gendarmerie sting operation against gun traffickers (shades of "Fast and Furious").

 

One of the vz.58s used in the attack also seems to have come via a Belgian gun collector who bought it on site from the Slovakian shop. The same shop was the source for four vz.61 Skorpion SMGs mail-ordered by a German student of mechatronics who seems to have made a business out of re-activating deacts and selling them on for ten times the price. The Skorpion is a bit of a status symbol among European criminals; the four in this case were destined for a British serial burglar who ordered them from jail by cellphone. Another German also ordered three dozen Skorpions for conversion purposes from the Slovakian shop, separately sourcing raw tubes for new barrels from Austria; he already had a prior conviction for supplying the para-military Hoffmann right-wing group with a dozen SMGs and five hand grenades in the late 90s.

 

The "Charlie Hebdo" attackers had Zastava M70s, as had the terrorists who shot up the Paris restaurants in November 2015. An M70 made for the Yugoslavian territorial defense forces in 1981 was also found at the Bataclan concert hall along with a Chinese Norinco AK thought to have come from Albania, a Bulgarian AK made in 1985, and by one unconfirmed claim an East German MPi-K AK variant; apparently some of the latter were sold to parties in the Yugoslavian Wars after decommissioning, sawn apart and welded back together, and a number have surfaced in Belgium.

 

Part of the Balkans pipeline was uncovered earlier that year when a Bosnian was found with 13 rifles and ten hand grenades in his car during a routine check by Danish border personnel after disembarking the ferry from Germany. The immediate source was a Bosnian ex-cop who was arrested along with a German accomplice while traveling in Germany with four disassembled M70s, 25 hand grenades and two other "explosive devices" in their car. The same month as the Bataclan attack happened, a Montenegrinian was also stopped on the autobahn with eight AKs in his car. And so on.

 

This is why the EU imposed really butal deactivation standards recently. In the UK an AK (bizarrely other than an RPK which was considered crew-served) had to be welded up since 1995, but it has gotten to the point where an 1888 commission rifle can't have sear engagement or a functioning magazine now. I don't see many wannabe jihadi's using M1888s anytime soon, even if they were off-ticket in fully operational format (which Kropatscheck, Vetterlis, Gras, Martini-Henries etc. are.)


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