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#441 Markus Becker

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Posted 14 October 2019 - 1720 PM

"or accusing the former of instrumentalizing the attack for political gain (good thing the AfD, who are obviously a chief target for this, never instrumentalized attacks by Muslims)."

In the sense of unfairness it must be remembered that every single time Muslim terrorists strike the old parties and the MSM immediately keep insisting that this single crime is not to be instrumentalized for political purposes.

Buch of hypocrites all of them.
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Posted 14 October 2019 - 2016 PM

And now some politician is cautioning against a general suspicion targeting gamers and at the same time instrumentalizing the attack to socre points against the AfD.
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Posted 15 October 2019 - 0420 AM

As I said, business as usual. Whenever there's some sort of attack, camps sympathetic to the overall group the perpetrator comes from maintain it's just an individual case, he's not a real X, in fact his actions contradict everything X is about, he's likely a mental case, it possibly was a false-flag op anyway, and the worst thing is it may be instrumentalized politically by the other camp. Said other camp will maintain this shows a systemic problem with group X, suspect a vast support network, call for tougher legislation, and blame the first camp for enabling the attack. Attitudes of both will change at the drop of a hat when the backgrounds are reversed. Works exemplarily with Muslim and right-wing perpetrators respectively.


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Posted 15 October 2019 - 1123 AM

As I said, business as usual. Whenever there's some sort of attack, camps sympathetic to the overall group the perpetrator comes from maintain it's just an individual case, he's not a real X, in fact his actions contradict everything X is about, he's likely a mental case, it possibly was a false-flag op anyway, and the worst thing is it may be instrumentalized politically by the other camp. Said other camp will maintain this shows a systemic problem with group X, suspect a vast support network, call for tougher legislation, and blame the first camp for enabling the attack. Attitudes of both will change at the drop of a hat when the backgrounds are reversed. Works exemplarily with Muslim and right-wing perpetrators respectively.

 

Don't forget that they want backdoors in crypto as well. Because loners use encrypted communication to talk to whom exactly? So, yeah, the usual suspects in the law enforcement apparatus trot out their pet ideas.


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#445 Ssnake

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Posted 15 October 2019 - 1124 AM

Shhhh. If you question crypto backdoors, you're advocating criminality and terrorism.


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#446 Markus Becker

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Posted 15 October 2019 - 1250 PM

As I said, business as usual. Whenever there's some sort of attack, camps sympathetic to the overall group the perpetrator comes from maintain it's just an individual case, he's not a real X, in fact his actions contradict everything X is about, he's likely a mental case, it possibly was a false-flag op anyway, and the worst thing is it may be instrumentalized politically by the other camp. Said other camp will maintain this shows a systemic problem with group X, suspect a vast support network, call for tougher legislation, and blame the first camp for enabling the attack. Attitudes of both will change at the drop of a hat when the backgrounds are reversed. Works exemplarily with Muslim and right-wing perpetrators respectively.

The reactions are the same though. The scope of the problems are not. Per victims right wingers commit the least anti semitic attacks and get the most media and political attention. With Muslims it's the other way round as perfectly demonstrated by the guy who wanted to stab the congregation of a synagogue in Berlin right before Halle happened. The took him to the station, wrote a report and let him go because wielding a knife and yelling Allahu Akabr while forcing your way into a synagogue is no indication of anything that warrants arrest. Or a Nationwide outcry.

Tolerating one form of antisemitism and combating/instrumentalizing another is why we are where we are.

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#447 BansheeOne

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Posted 15 October 2019 - 1451 PM

The reactions are the same though. The scope of the problems are not. Per victims right wingers commit the least anti semitic attacks and get the most media and political attention. With Muslims it's the other way round as perfectly demonstrated by the guy who wanted to stab the congregation of a synagogue in Berlin right before Halle happened. The took him to the station, wrote a report and let him go because wielding a knife and yelling Allahu Akabr while forcing your way into a synagogue is no indication of anything that warrants arrest. Or a Nationwide outcry.


Did he? He climbed over the barriers outside the synagogue, ran towards the security officers with a knife, they pulled their guns on him, he refused to drop his weapon and talked in a calm voice, supposedly including "Allah-u akhbar" and "fuck Israel", though the last it not confirmed. Police finally subdued him with CS, nobody else got hurt.

When questioned he said he couldn't explain his behavior, and anti-terror investigators so far haven't found any indications or links to Islamism after searching his dwellings and seizing his phone, computer, etc. He's currently institutionalized, as he probably should; or he's the most incompetent terrorist in quite a while.

And frankly, as national outcries go, I found the one over this incident overdone already; particularly the Central Council of the Jews accusing authorities of failure because they released the guy from (criminal) custody. They of all people should know the value of folks not being incarcerated without a basis in generally applicable law.

Also, I'm aware of the systemic problem that anti-Semitic acts tend to be automatically classed as right-wing, and I don't believe the 90 percent number from official statistics either. But I've never seen a source establishing that right-wingers conduct the least attacks either. The 2017 Uni Bielefeld study for the Independent Experts Circle Anti-Semitism sometimes gets cited as "81 percent of all physical attacks are from Muslims", but there are a couple problems with that.

First, the sample of 553 participants was non-representative. 16 said they had been the victim of a physical anti-Semitic attack in the last 12 months. Multiple descriptions of who they thought the attackers were were possible, and there were 13 mentions of Muslims, four of leftwingers, three of rightwingers, and two of Christians. That study is interesting as a sample of Jewish perceptions of anti-Semitism in Germany, and it clearly shows that Muslims figure prominently in that. But it cautions itself that the low numbers of attacks reported therein don't permit general conclusions, and certainly not that rightwingers are the least problem.


Edited by BansheeOne, 16 October 2019 - 0132 AM.

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