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#8101 Ivanhoe

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Posted Yesterday, 02:55 PM

Gosh, nobody could have seen this coming;

 

https://thehill.com/...ives-in-tijuana

 

Members of a migrant caravan currently in Mexico clashed with residents in Tijuana on Thursday night after residents demanded that the migrants leave public spaces and report to shelters.

 

USA Today reports that Tijuana police were forced to separate groups of migrants and local residents, who were marching through city streets demanding police action, according to the newspaper.

 

Genius move to run the caravan through a city that gains nothing and potentially loses quite a bit from this political stunt.

 

“The message to the migrant population is very clear,” Francisco Rueda Gómez, secretary of government of Baja California, said in a statement according to USA Today. “We are providing them with humanitarian support, health care and food, however the need to take into consideration the rules of the shelters so they can coexist in harmony with the local population.”

 

Does BC really have sufficient financial resources to subsidize this circus? I'm guessing not so much. 


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Posted Yesterday, 02:59 PM

338 racists oppose the caravan;

 

https://www.reuters....s-idUSKCN1NK2D8

 

An Oct. 26-28 survey of 1,000 Mexicans by polling firm Consulta Mitofsky showed that 51.4 percent were in favor of helping or protecting the migrants, while 33.8 percent took the opposite view, believing that they should return home. The remaining respondents expressed no opinion.

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Posted Yesterday, 06:11 PM

I will say, as much as we need to control our borders, it's dumb of Trump to insists that Honduras get penalized for letting this happen.  What does he want, a Berlin-Wall around Honduras? 


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Posted Yesterday, 08:32 PM

Get yours now 

 

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Posted Yesterday, 09:17 PM

I will say, as much as we need to control our borders, it's dumb of Trump to insists that Honduras get penalized for letting this happen.  What does he want, a Berlin-Wall around Honduras? 

 

Honduras has been seemingly indifferent to the corruption, high crime rate, and pervasive poverty. The US aid sent to date has obviously not been effective (even when the Honduras central government increases social spending, it appears to dissipate long before reaching the poor). 

 

Could have Honduras stopped the caravan before it formed up and crossed the border? No. Could it have dealt with the underlying problems that drove Hondurans to consider heading to the US? Certainly yes. 

 

Trump's motivation for dialing aid back is surely political rather than practical, but Honduras absolutely needs a wake-up call. 


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Posted Yesterday, 09:28 PM

https://www.azcentra...ater/511071002/

So it shocked some observers when the Honduran ambassador joined the migrants protesting outside the Honduran embassy in Mexico City on Wednesday, and then accepted their invitation to walk 9 miles to a migrant shelter.

 

"I have been ordered by my government to support the Honduran migrants traveling with the caravan. There are about 200 Hondurans who we will help out with paperwork and whatever is necessary,"  Alden Rivera Montes, the Honduran ambassador to Mexico, told El Universal.

 

https://www.migratio...stine-migration

 

Within the span of a few short decades, migrants have become an essential engine of economic support for Honduras. Remittances comprised 17 percent of the nation's gross domestic product (GDP) in 2011, according to World Bank estimates, the second largest share of any country in Latin America or the Caribbean. As such, Honduran emigrants have tremendous significance for the country's economy and for the sustenance of many otherwise impoverished communities and families.

 

Dependence on remittances is a new phenomenon. Since the early 2000s, remittances have represented a larger source of domestic income than any other single sector of the Honduran economy, including agriculture and manufacturing.

 

I suspect that digging deeper than TV news level of inquiry would indicate that the Honduran government helped orchestrate the caravan. Cui bono?


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Posted Yesterday, 10:43 PM

I will say, as much as we need to control our borders, it's dumb of Trump to insists that Honduras get penalized for letting this happen.  What does he want, a Berlin-Wall around Honduras?

 
Honduras has been seemingly indifferent to the corruption, high crime rate, and pervasive poverty. The US aid sent to date has obviously not been effective (even when the Honduras central government increases social spending, it appears to dissipate long before reaching the poor). 
 
Could have Honduras stopped the caravan before it formed up and crossed the border? No. Could it have dealt with the underlying problems that drove Hondurans to consider heading to the US? Certainly yes. 
 
Trump's motivation for dialing aid back is surely political rather than practical, but Honduras absolutely needs a wake-up call.

The problem lies between corruption in Latin America and the US drug war. Still, his wording was terrible.
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Posted Yesterday, 11:06 PM

It always is. 


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Posted Today, 12:24 AM

I see no downside for the powers that be in Tegucigalpa to support the Honduran column's march to the frontier, as Washington caving to the column's advance on humanitarian grounds or Washington absorbing public Honduran rage for refusing passage despite humanitarian grounds are both winning outcomes for them.

 

Operation Just Cause was launched and successfully executed by order of President Bush for arguably less.


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Posted Today, 09:52 AM

Wow that many racists?  Keep them in Mexico, keep them out of the US.

 

338 racists oppose the caravan;

 

https://www.reuters....s-idUSKCN1NK2D8

 

An Oct. 26-28 survey of 1,000 Mexicans by polling firm Consulta Mitofsky showed that 51.4 percent were in favor of helping or protecting the migrants, while 33.8 percent took the opposite view, believing that they should return home. The remaining respondents expressed no opinion.

 


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Posted Today, 10:13 AM

It always is. 

 

Don't shoot the messenger just because he refuses to sugar coat things.


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Posted Today, 01:18 PM

But it goes to show that Trump was right.  Build the wall.  BTW two of my three brothers in law are from Mexico, and they want the wall built in case Paul does his intentional misconstruing of my words.  


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Posted Today, 04:25 PM

The man needs a filter in front of cameras. Raking the forests in Finland? I know some fins and they're all crazy but not that crazy :D

 

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