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#61 TonyE

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Posted 17 November 2017 - 1231 PM

New toys inbound soon; french destroyer Aigle, italian cruiser Abruzzi etc.


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Posted 18 November 2017 - 0812 AM

The youtube crowd seem to be having fun with the latest GZ test versions.

And when I say fun I mean that they are laughing a lot.

When a ship is tweaked from grossly underpowered to grossly overpowered and back again with no signs of damping to a neutral position, to me that suggests something more fundamental is wrong. But I've never played carriers, so have nothing constructive to add.
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Posted 20 November 2017 - 1357 PM

Look at her:

https://youtu.be/v-GdvKeLZqI

Not just a groundbreaking V&W class destroyer but one with a fantastic name. She should get a bonus for that. I mean would you want to serve on her on on HMS Aeneas? Who actually existed, pity her crew.

Word of advice for wannabe skippers of her: Stay away from cute, little blondes! They'll end you. ;)
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#64 Marek Tucan

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Posted 21 November 2017 - 1437 PM

Yeah, the scrap iron fleet... Tested her too. Has a kinda fitting looks, with Italian AA guns bolted on etc. Putting her on Tier III is about right - and yes, seeing her in game you have to wonder how she did survive in the Med.


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#65 Markus Becker

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Posted 23 November 2017 - 0643 AM

The V&W class was to DD what Dreadnought was to BB. Maybe more so, they were still very good warships 20 years later. Your remark to her survivial in the Med refers to her AA I pressume? British triple-A was better than its reputation. RN ships did all right against air attack as long as they sailed in formation. 


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#66 Marek Tucan

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Posted 23 November 2017 - 1549 PM

Well... Depends on which. I have to say I have found a new respect towards the early war on destroyers in the Dunkirk PvE scenario when I realized the AA was often just a .50 quad.

Then again about the only country that managed to pack a really respectable AA suite on destroyers by the end of war were the Americans thanks to going the simple stupid way to get a good and working DP gun.
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Posted 27 November 2017 - 1315 PM

One gained the impression that RN AA was fine, until you ran out of ammunition.


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Posted 27 November 2017 - 1552 PM

Or electricity... On big ships generally yes (though some battleships could use more heavy AA, twin 4" guns were nothing to be sneezed at and 5.25" neither), but I think what RN kinda lacked (not only RN) was AA armament on destroyers. Force Z was much in the same situation as Nagumo's carriers at Midway - destroyers with them had point defence AA only and could not really contribute much more than take on survivors. 

G class initially had 2 Vickers .50 quads for example and generally heavy AA started to appear after Dunkirk, usually introducing another weapon and caliber into the fray. The 5"/38 solved this neatly (though before Mk.37 director they had issues with dive bombers).

 

In any case, more new toys:

 

Tier III - Turenne

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Tier IV - Courbet

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Tier V - Bretagne

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Tier VI - Normandie

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Tier VII - Lyon

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Posted 27 November 2017 - 1554 PM

Tier VIII - Richelieu

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Tier VIII - Gascogne

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Tier IX - Alsace

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Tier X - France

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France will have 8x 431 mm.


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Posted 27 November 2017 - 1927 PM

:blink: :blink: :blink: :blink: :blink:  :blink: :blink: :o :D


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Posted 27 November 2017 - 1928 PM

Finally, my line has arrived.......goodbye sparetime. :wub:


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Posted 28 November 2017 - 1346 PM

One gained the impression that RN AA was fine, until you ran out of ammunition.

Yes, that would be a "slight inconvenience" to use some British understatement.

PS: The 5"/38 was fine for fleet defence. If a group of divebombers was taking an unhealthy interest in your ship in real life you needed medium caliber automatic guns. 37/40mm, Pom Pom quads

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Posted 28 November 2017 - 1405 PM

Actually, the major weakness the RN had throughout most of the war was the lack of a fully tachymetric AA director. The British HACS really couldnt compare to the US Mk 37 in that regard.
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Posted 28 November 2017 - 1501 PM

Finally, my line has arrived.......goodbye sparetime. :wub:

I will burn out on testing :D Only about now getting to UKBB, was overfed with them from their test :) And now won't touch PADD for some time :)


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Posted 28 November 2017 - 1658 PM

 

Finally, my line has arrived.......goodbye sparetime. :wub:

I will burn out on testing :D Only about now getting to UKBB, was overfed with them from their test :) And now won't touch PADD for some time :)

 

 

Have to say i do like the 1920`sesque tripod and modifications added to the Normandie, Lyon look perhaps abit "topheavy" with the updated bridge but it might just be the angle of the picture...but damn, check the secondaries!! :o :wub:


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Posted 29 November 2017 - 0121 AM

Actually, the major weakness the RN had throughout most of the war was the lack of a fully tachymetric AA director. The British HACS really couldnt compare to the US Mk 37 in that regard.


Didn't they fix that rather quickly with a modified HACS?
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Posted 29 November 2017 - 0159 AM

Have to say i do like the 1920`sesque tripod and modifications added to the Normandie, Lyon look perhaps abit "topheavy" with the updated bridge but it might just be the angle of the picture...but damn, check the secondaries!! :o :wub:


All the older French battleships looked terribly top heavy from the get go, esp. the tumblehomes... And even Dunkerques and Richelieus had a pretty big superstructure. Good thing we do not include metacentric height in game :D
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Posted 29 November 2017 - 1147 AM

 

Have to say i do like the 1920`sesque tripod and modifications added to the Normandie, Lyon look perhaps abit "topheavy" with the updated bridge but it might just be the angle of the picture...but damn, check the secondaries!! :o :wub:


All the older French battleships looked terribly top heavy from the get go, esp. the tumblehomes... And even Dunkerques and Richelieus had a pretty big superstructure. Good thing we do not include metacentric height in game :D

 

 

Yes, but the Lyon looks like it is ready to go "Dive!Dive!Dive!" and then plunge forward. It might just be the rather stubby nature of the bow that gives this impression. ^_^


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Posted 29 November 2017 - 1338 PM

it amuses me somewhat when people complain about how deeply submerged some BB citadels are, without understanding that the game is glossing over a massive weight problem :D


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Posted 29 November 2017 - 1635 PM

Loading is actually one of the subtler balancing changes. See the Colorado adjustment in the last update.


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