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#1 JasonJ

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Posted 29 October 2018 - 0010 AM

188 people were on board.
https://www.theguard...t-jt610-jakarta
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Posted 29 October 2018 - 0026 AM

Shit.


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Posted 29 October 2018 - 0519 AM

My condolences. Our news say the plane was shiny new, only operational since summer 2018, with 800 flight hours up to date  -almost nothing...


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Posted 29 October 2018 - 1421 PM

Bad crash, pilot reported problems 2 mins after take off after the aircraft had been repaired on the ground. 


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Posted 29 October 2018 - 1433 PM

My condolences.

First hull loss accident of the B737-8?
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Posted 10 March 2019 - 1909 PM

Another 737 max 8 accident. 157 lost. Human error or aircraft?
https://www.reuters....h-idUSKBN1QR0SV
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Posted 11 March 2019 - 0329 AM

Supposedly on Flightradar 24, the profile looks similar, not exact, to the earlier crash. Which was put down to a flight control issue on a stall warning system. IE, you pull the flaps in, the computer decides you are stalling, and puts you into a balls out dive, or something like that.


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Posted 11 March 2019 - 1411 PM

Supposedly on Flightradar 24, the profile looks similar, not exact, to the earlier crash. Which was put down to a flight control issue on a stall warning system. IE, you pull the flaps in, the computer decides you are stalling, and puts you into a balls out dive, or something like that.

 

Makes it look like a serious error in the software. On the radio they said the chinese air traffic authority (whteves its name) has grounded all aeroplanes of the type as a precaution.


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Posted 11 March 2019 - 1547 PM

737s have a tendency to pitch up which, if uncorrected, leads to a stall. It would seem the flight software in the Max may be driving the plane in an unflyable corner, or not. We will have to wait for the investigation.

 

 

https://en.wikipedia...ines_Flight_363

https://en.wikipedia...ubai_Flight_981


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#10 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 12 March 2019 - 0257 AM

When I first heard about this, I thought it was the old 737's rudder hard over problem resurfacing. But they fixed that, so...


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Posted 12 March 2019 - 0411 AM

Australia grounds Boeing's 737 MAX in wake of fatal crashes

 

 

Australia's aviation safety authority has banned all Boeing 737 MAX aircraft from flying to or from the country in the wake of two deadly plane crashes involving the brand new aircraft in the past five months.

In what is a major blow for the aerospace giant and an unusual split from American aviation regulators, the Civil Aviation Safety Authority said on Tuesday night that it was in the best interests of safety to ground the jets, operated here currently by Fiji Airways into Adelaide, Sydney, Brisbane and Melbourne.

 

Singapore's SilkAir also flies 737 MAX 8s into Darwin and Cairns, but was already moving those services onto older planes after Singaporean authorities grounded the MAXs earlier on Tuesday.

“This is a temporary suspension while we wait for more information to review the safety risks of continued operations of the Boeing 737 MAX," said CASA' chief executive and director of aviation safety, Shane Carmody.

 

The latest disaster involving the aircraft came on Sunday, when an Ethiopian Airlines 737 MAX 8 crashed shortly after taking off from Addis Ababa en route to Nairobi, killing 157 people.

The same model of aircraft flown by Indonesian carrier Lion Air went down shortly after taking from Jakarta in October, crashing into the Java Sea and killing 189 people.

 

Australia joins a growing list of countries that have grounded the newest variant of Boeing's long-standing and best selling single-aisle workhorse, which only entered service in 2017.

China, Ethiopia and Indonesia have all grounded the jet, while several airlines such as AeroMexico, Royal Air Maroc, Cayman Airways and South Africa's Comair have chosen to pull it from service.

 

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Posted 12 March 2019 - 0848 AM

Now been banned from UK airspace.


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Posted 12 March 2019 - 0919 AM

Based on the pictures the plane came down very hard. It's basically tiny shreds. Even black boxes have tough time surviving such an impact, we'll see.

 

From Wiki page: "Witnesses reported the aircraft was making "strange noises" and leaving a "trail of smoke" behind it, with sparks from the back fire close to the tail, and falling debris such as clothes and paper, just before it crashed."

 

Some sort of engine issue? Or maybe the plane was so out of control it was beginning to break up in the air.


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Posted 12 March 2019 - 0934 AM

Relax everyone, the Donald is on the case.

 

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#15 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 12 March 2019 - 1016 AM

Based on the pictures the plane came down very hard. It's basically tiny shreds. Even black boxes have tough time surviving such an impact, we'll see.

 

From Wiki page: "Witnesses reported the aircraft was making "strange noises" and leaving a "trail of smoke" behind it, with sparks from the back fire close to the tail, and falling debris such as clothes and paper, just before it crashed."

 

Some sort of engine issue? Or maybe the plane was so out of control it was beginning to break up in the air.

 

Everyone always says that though. You even get people saying 'I saw a flame', in crashes when it was clear the engines were not turning because they were out of fuel. People tend to see what they expect to see.

 

 

Relax everyone, the Donald is on the case.

 

crpLLrM.jpg

 

Yes Donald, why dont we all just go back to flying in DC3's, it was all so much safer.

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Posted 12 March 2019 - 1033 AM

His nexr trip to play golf should be in Max,


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Posted 12 March 2019 - 1324 PM

Now been banned from UK airspace.

 

Germany as well. I guess the rest of flight safety agencies are goinf to follow suit.

 

 

 

The 737-8  always looked like a hack job to me. Heck the models before did too with the odd looking hamster cheeks on the engines to accomodate the short legs of the 737 landing gear. But hey, no retraining needed for pilots that have 737 certs.


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Posted 12 March 2019 - 1340 PM

 

Based on the pictures the plane came down very hard. It's basically tiny shreds. Even black boxes have tough time surviving such an impact, we'll see.
 
From Wiki page: "Witnesses reported the aircraft was making "strange noises" and leaving a "trail of smoke" behind it, with sparks from the back fire close to the tail, and falling debris such as clothes and paper, just before it crashed."
 
Some sort of engine issue? Or maybe the plane was so out of control it was beginning to break up in the air.

 
Everyone always says that though. You even get people saying 'I saw a flame', in crashes when it was clear the engines were not turning because they were out of fuel. People tend to see what they expect to see.

 

 
It what they remember not what they have seen. The brain interpolates memories hence the unreliability of memory.
 

 

Relax everyone, the Donald is on the case.
 
crpLLrM.jpg

 
Yes Donald, why dont we all just go back to flying in DC3's, it was all so much safer.
:rolleyes:

 

 
While he is not wrong in tweeting this it is the general trend of things getting more complex, but that is a given. A common wisdom. a platitude, a commonplace. Not much new insight there. Tweeting "plane crash, so sad" would hav ebeen enough. I guess it was someone from his staff that got so needlessly wordy.
 
 
But afaik in this case we have a six decade old design that got modified and tinkered with to fit the new engines. which leads to lots of problems, that have to be dealt with by adding that fancy box called MCAS. When it was more stable in the first place there would not be a problem. But hey, less costs for retraining the pilots. Yay. Also money saved for not certifying an all new aeroplane. Double yay. that is at least what it looks like at the moment.


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Posted 12 March 2019 - 1344 PM

"The plane is fine, really"

 

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Posted 12 March 2019 - 1351 PM

https://www.easa.eur...erations-europe


Grounded in Europe now.
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