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#2061 Nobu

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Posted 01 June 2019 - 1857 PM

Ocasio-Cortez's stance on the unfairness of the racial demographics of NYC's Stuyvesant High School is indicative of what her wing of the Democratic Party really thinks of the significant number of voters of Asian ethnicity who voted for her. The equivalent of Whites whenever it suits it to do so, as it turns out. 


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Posted 19 June 2019 - 0524 AM

She is really a gift that keeps on giving:  https://nypost.com/2...e-open-borders/   

 

BRCC channeling AOC:

 

https://twitter.com/...361034655576064


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Posted 19 June 2019 - 0646 AM

Yeah, she is going for broke. Comparing the border detention facilities to concentration camps, genius move right there. And the city which she purportedly represents is chock-full of the descendants of Holocaust survivors. 


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Posted 19 June 2019 - 0809 AM

^ Meh, won't matter, the orthodox might vote for Trump in small numbers but the US Jews, particularly the secular, sure as Hell won't.  At worst, she might be primaried.  S/F....Ken M


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Posted 20 June 2019 - 1453 PM

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Posted 20 June 2019 - 1754 PM

The Bee has simply been killin' it the last few months.


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Posted 20 June 2019 - 2158 PM

^ Meh, won't matter, the orthodox might vote for Trump in small numbers but the US Jews, particularly the secular, sure as Hell won't.  At worst, she might be primaried.  S/F....Ken M

Of course it won't matter, many of them agree with her.  I've talked with several Jewish people at work, many who lost family to the Nazi's, and they by and large have agreed that the Conservatives in the US are as bad as and are on the same path as the Brown Shirts. They stumble when I've asked for details but it's pretty clear they accept what people like AOC are saying.


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Posted 20 June 2019 - 2227 PM

 

^ Meh, won't matter, the orthodox might vote for Trump in small numbers but the US Jews, particularly the secular, sure as Hell won't.  At worst, she might be primaried.  S/F....Ken M

Of course it won't matter, many of them agree with her.  I've talked with several Jewish people at work, many who lost family to the Nazi's, and they by and large have agreed that the Conservatives in the US are as bad as and are on the same path as the Brown Shirts. They stumble when I've asked for details but it's pretty clear they accept what people like AOC are saying.

 

 

And the fools will cozy up and roll out the welcome mat to the very people who DO despise them.


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Posted 21 June 2019 - 0705 AM

 

 

^ Meh, won't matter, the orthodox might vote for Trump in small numbers but the US Jews, particularly the secular, sure as Hell won't.  At worst, she might be primaried.  S/F....Ken M

Of course it won't matter, many of them agree with her.  I've talked with several Jewish people at work, many who lost family to the Nazi's, and they by and large have agreed that the Conservatives in the US are as bad as and are on the same path as the Brown Shirts. They stumble when I've asked for details but it's pretty clear they accept what people like AOC are saying.

 

 

And the fools will cozy up and roll out the welcome mat to the very people who DO despise them.

 

They will end up marching right back into the camps if they are not careful.  The Left is the home of the new anti-semitism, but we have to remember the NAZIs were socialists first and foremost.  


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Posted 21 June 2019 - 0830 AM

The majority of scholars identify Nazism in both theory and practice as a form of far right politics.
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Posted 21 June 2019 - 0835 AM

Yes, that's called subversion and group think.  

 

The majority of scholars are shitlibs, and need a good long spell trying to make money in the real world.  The world needs ditchdiggers too.  S/F....Ken M  


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Posted 21 June 2019 - 0836 AM

The majority of scholars identify Nazism in both theory and practice as a form of far right politics.

 

In many fields of human knowledge what the majority of the scholars in one field think about a question is a useful point of data. Nothing less, nothing more. With reference to ultimate truth, well...


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#2073 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 21 June 2019 - 0840 AM

Ok, we probably ought to clear this up once and for all, because this appropriation of Nazi's as Socialists is getting frankly wierd.

 

The National Socialism Party existed independently of Hitler Intially. He joined it, and rapidly turned it into a vehicle for his own beliefs. Yes, there WERE some socialists that were part of it. There were also some Nationalists, and in fact it appears to me, a variety of people mainly of the crackpot fringe, all together in a boat latterly, but not initially, given steering directions by Hitler.

 

As time went on, Hitlers beliefs became more important. The socialists in the party remained wedded to property re-appropriation. Hitler was not, and never was, partly because he was getting a lot of monetary support from German industrialists. But also, and this is a personal view, he needed those same industrialists to build the war winning military he knew he needed. Goebbels would initially appear to be part of the Socialist faction. But he learned better when he became part of the Hitler faction.

 

Eventually it all came to a head, and whilst I cant remember the names (banshee is probably a better call) several of the socialist leaning  were dismissed from the party. At least one of them was subsequently murdered when the Nazi's gained power.At this point, they stopped being socialist in all but name. The nearest they got to socialism was having big parties together, and a ponzi scheme to build Volkswagens. What you really had was a fascist race based ideology, that bears absolutely no resemblance to Socialism except in some of the iconography.

 

The myth that the Nazis were socialists at heart will never die. Personally, I direct those who think so to read William Shirers book 'The rise and fall of the third reich' who think so. And it would be well to reflect on why General Franco, a renowned anti socialist, would employ a notorious socialist to kill other socialists. It really doesn't work at all does it?


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Posted 21 June 2019 - 1149 AM

The fact that Trotski was murdered by Stalin does not make any of them a right-winger.

 

Communists have killed Socialists, Socialists have killed Communists, Communists have killed Communists, etc.


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Posted 21 June 2019 - 1219 PM

The majority of scholars identify Nazism in both theory and practice as a form of far right politics.

 

 

Yes, that's called subversion and group think.  

 

The majority of scholars are shitlibs, and need a good long spell trying to make money in the real world.  The world needs ditchdiggers too.  S/F....Ken M  

 

right, left, does not matter. Both are totalitarian. Does not really matter much,  why and who they oppress and send to the camps.


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Posted 21 June 2019 - 1223 PM

If you don't like Naziism being equated as left wing because it puts it next to your mindset of what government should do, then maybe you need to think about the sorts of things that you advocate and how it works. 

The Nazis were authoritarian collectivists. Socialists are also authoritarian collectivists. Both are generally a left leaning sort of thing. Radical left, but Left none the less. Don't like that, fine, just stick to the descriptors and not the stupid left right spectrum that doesn't really make describe things very well. 

Does your party advocate collectivist treatment of people and top down government programs? Well then your party bears a far greater comparable form to the Nazis than someone who advocates policies that are against top down, collectivist and authoritarian policies. 

 


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Posted 21 June 2019 - 1227 PM

The fact that Trotski was murdered by Stalin does not make any of them a right-winger.

 

Communists have killed Socialists, Socialists have killed Communists, Communists have killed Communists, etc.

Obviously under the same sort of ideas that the "nazis are not left wing because they killed other left wingers" is the idea that anyone that the monarchists killed were obviously NOT monarchists. Even if it was a "king" usurping the position of another king.  :rolleyes:


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Posted 21 June 2019 - 1245 PM

If you don't like Naziism being equated as left wing because it puts it next to your mindset of what government should do, then maybe you need to think about the sorts of things that you advocate and how it works. 

The Nazis were authoritarian collectivists. Socialists are also authoritarian collectivists. Both are generally a left leaning sort of thing. Radical left, but Left none the less. Don't like that, fine, just stick to the descriptors and not the stupid left right spectrum that doesn't really make describe things very well. 

Does your party advocate collectivist treatment of people and top down government programs? Well then your party bears a far greater comparable form to the Nazis than someone who advocates policies that are against top down, collectivist and authoritarian policies. 

 

 

OTOH Hitler himself and many of his followers were disgusted, nauseated by those dirty Gypsies, dirty Jews and the other "subhumans". Cleanliness and orderliness are normally marks of right-wingers, conservatives. Still the Nazis were collectivist and authoritarian.  But those are neither left nor right traits.


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Posted 21 June 2019 - 1253 PM

If you don't like Naziism being equated as left wing because it puts it next to your mindset of what government should do, then maybe you need to think about the sorts of things that you advocate and how it works. 
The Nazis were authoritarian collectivists. Socialists are also authoritarian collectivists. Both are generally a left leaning sort of thing. Radical left, but Left none the less. Don't like that, fine, just stick to the descriptors and not the stupid left right spectrum that doesn't really make describe things very well. 
Does your party advocate collectivist treatment of people and top down government programs? Well then your party bears a far greater comparable form to the Nazis than someone who advocates policies that are against top down, collectivist and authoritarian policies.


I don't like Nazism being equated with the left because it's historically inaccurate. Again, read Shirer if it won't take my word for it. He is even an American whom was there.
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Posted 21 June 2019 - 1304 PM

The majority of scholars identify Nazism in both theory and practice as a form of far right politics.

NATIONAL SOCIALIST GERMAN WORKERS PARTY (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei)  A Socialist Party.  Far Left.  


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