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Posted 10 June 2019 - 0657 AM

1981. Territorial Defense Independent Platoons

Pretty similar to a 1973. org.

 

 

1981. Territorial Defense Independent Platoon with AT section

 

- Plt Cmd - AR

- Radioman - SAR

- Runner - SAR

- Medic - P

 

Rifle Section x 2 - 1 x SAW, 1 x AR, 5 x SAR

- Section leader - AR

- SAW gunner - SAW

- Riflemen x 5 - SAR - R1 is section 2inC

 

AT Section - 2 x ATW, 1 x AR, 2 x SAR, 2 x P

- Section leader - AR

- AT gunner x 2 - ATW, P

- Assistant x 2 - SAR

 

Total - 23 ( 4 + 2 x 7 + 5 ) men - 2 x ATW, 2 x SAW, 4 x AR, 14 x SAR, 3 x P

 

 

 

 

1981. Territorial Defense Independent Platoon with LMG section

 

- Plt Cmd - AR

- Radioman - SAR

- Runner - SAR

- Medic - P

 

Rifle Section x 2 - 1 x SAW, 1 x AR, 5 x SAR

- Section leader - AR

- SAW gunner - SAW

- Riflemen x 5 - SAR - R1 is section 2inC

 

LMG Section - 2 x LMG, 1 x AR, 2 x SAR, 2 x P

- Section leader - AR

- LMG gunner x 2 - LMG, P

- Assistant x 2 - SAR

 

Total - 23 ( 4 + 2 x 7 + 5 ) men - 2 x LMG, 2 x SAW, 4 x AR, 14 x SAR, 3 x P

 

 

 

 

1981. Territorial Defense Independent Platoon (Security)

 

- Plt Cmd - AR

- Radioman - SAR

- Runner - SAR

- Medic - P

 

Reduced SMG Section  - 6 men - 6 x AR

- Section leader - AR

- SMG gunner x 5 - AR - SMG gunner 1 is section 2inC

 

Reduced Rifle Section x 2 - 6 men - 1 x SAW, 1 x AR, 4 x SAR

- Section leader - AR

- SAW gunner - SAW

- Riflemen x 4 - SAR - R1 is section 2inC

 

Total - 22 ( 4 + 6 + 2 x 6) men - 2 x SAW, 9 x AR, 12 x SAR, 1 x P

 

SMG section can split in the 2 x 3-men or 3 x 2-men patrols, while Rifle sections form stationary part of the security.


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Posted 11 June 2019 - 2001 PM

1981. Territorial Defense Independent Platoons

Pretty similar to a 1973. org.

 

 

1981. Territorial Defense Independent Platoon with AT section

 

- Plt Cmd - AR

- Radioman - SAR

- Runner - SAR

- Medic - P

 

Rifle Section x 2 - 1 x SAW, 1 x AR, 5 x SAR

- Section leader - AR

- SAW gunner - SAW

- Riflemen x 5 - SAR - R1 is section 2inC

 

AT Section - 2 x ATW, 1 x AR, 2 x SAR, 2 x P

- Section leader - AR

- AT gunner x 2 - ATW, P

- Assistant x 2 - SAR

 

Total - 23 ( 4 + 2 x 7 + 5 ) men - 2 x ATW, 2 x SAW, 4 x AR, 14 x SAR, 3 x P

 

 

 

 

1981. Territorial Defense Independent Platoon with LMG section

 

- Plt Cmd - AR

- Radioman - SAR

- Runner - SAR

- Medic - P

 

Rifle Section x 2 - 1 x SAW, 1 x AR, 5 x SAR

- Section leader - AR

- SAW gunner - SAW

- Riflemen x 5 - SAR - R1 is section 2inC

 

LMG Section - 2 x LMG, 1 x AR, 2 x SAR, 2 x P

- Section leader - AR

- LMG gunner x 2 - LMG, P

- Assistant x 2 - SAR

 

Total - 23 ( 4 + 2 x 7 + 5 ) men - 2 x LMG, 2 x SAW, 4 x AR, 14 x SAR, 3 x P

 

 

 

 

1981. Territorial Defense Independent Platoon (Security)

 

- Plt Cmd - AR

- Radioman - SAR

- Runner - SAR

- Medic - P

 

Reduced SMG Section  - 6 men - 6 x AR

- Section leader - AR

- SMG gunner x 5 - AR - SMG gunner 1 is section 2inC

 

Reduced Rifle Section x 2 - 6 men - 1 x SAW, 1 x AR, 4 x SAR

- Section leader - AR

- SAW gunner - SAW

- Riflemen x 4 - SAR - R1 is section 2inC

 

Total - 22 ( 4 + 6 + 2 x 6) men - 2 x SAW, 9 x AR, 12 x SAR, 1 x P

 

SMG section can split in the 2 x 3-men or 3 x 2-men patrols, while Rifle sections form stationary part of the security.

Would these troops be composed of older or sub-physically fit men?


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Posted 11 June 2019 - 2143 PM

Not really.

After finishing army service 1/3 of the men were instead of regular reserves designated for TD reserves.

There was inter-TD selection, with most fit candidats (usually those that served in "elite" units - paras, mountain units, naval infantry, some of the "light" formations) being designated to a stay-behind element, with other being deignated to a "security" part of the TD.

Stay-behind part was better armed, while "security" part was more-less standard rear area security troops, armed with older weapons.

 

There was no organized units of TD during peacetime - units were in army parlance "R" type - only admin part active, and they were to be filled by men during mobilization of reserves.

There were periodical trainings for TO, just as there were for reserves (formally 1-2 week per year), as well as periodical (every 5 years IIRC) medical checkups for a people, with those unfit being declared so.

Women could serve in TD (women were not conscripted to a regular army service***, however they could apply for an army schools and academy, but were limited in the MOS they could have, but restriction was less strict if they decided to be designated to TD after military school). In addition TD had additional training that included women who did not want to go to a military school but wanted to serve in it (rest formally served in the "Civil defense" - disaster relief org).

In addition to that, factories and other companies were supposed to form TD units during wartime (above noted "security" platoon is a typical example, larger factories/companies could form 2-3 of those, or eventually independent co) for a local defense. Weapons for those was stored in the factories themself. Working in some factories (usually those that would be important in the wartime) meant that mobilization status changed from "army reserves" to "TD reserves".

TD was seen as a way of preventing "Czechoslovakian scenario" - TD was under command of republics (kinda like US NG) and was seen as counterbalance to a army in case army ever thought to side with occupier.

 

***Despite the fact that in WW2 about 1/8 partisans were females (about 1/10 of the first-line combat troops) conscription did not include women. Through ''50s it was considered to adopt "Israeli model" with women serving 2/3 of the time men did, but it was seen as unpopular in some parts of Yugoslavia (parts of Bosnia and Kosovo in particular) and it was never adopted. TD positions for women were a compromise between army and party wishes and hard reality of the good part of society being highly patriarchal.

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In above examples Independent Plt with AT or LMG section could be found in both security and stay-behind TD, security platoon only in "security" part of TD.

All co level orgs could be found in both, through stay-behind favored smaller formations like "Odred" and Independent Bn (hence their version of Co), while "security" part highest org was brigade, formed out of 3 x Bn + support elements.


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Posted Yesterday, 06:36 AM

Evolution of the Mortar platoon from a Bn level support:

 

1945. Mortar platoon from a Rifle Bn Support Company:

 

- Plt Cmd - SMG

- Plt Sergeant - SMG

- Horse handler - R, Pack horse

- Scout-spotter x 2 - SMG

 

Mortar Section x 2 - 13 men - 2 x 81/82mm Mortar, 1 x SMG, 12 x R, 2 x Horse /cart

- Section leader - SMG

- Gunner x 2 - R, 81/82mm mortar

- Loader x 2 - R

- Ammo handler x 2 - R

- Ammo bearer x 4 - R

- Horse handler x 2 - R, Horse /cart

 

Total - 31 ( 5 + 2 x 13 ) men - 4 x 81/82mm mortar, 6 x SMG, 25 x R, 4 x Horse /Cart, 1 x Pack horse

Bn had a total of 4 x 81/82mm mortar

 

 

 

1947. Mortar Company from a Rifle Bn:

 

Co Hq - 6 men - 3 x SMG, 2 x R, 1 x P, 1 x Pack horse

- Co Cmd - SMG

- Co 2inC/PO - SMG

- Co Jr Officer - SMG - also a horse handler

- Medic - P

- Runner x 2 - R

 

Mortar Platoon x 2 - 30 men - 6 x 81/82mm mortar, 5 x SMG, 25 x R, 6 x Horse/Cart

Platoon Command Section - 3 men - 2 x SMG, 1 x R

- Plt Cmd - SMG

- Runner - R

- Scout-spotter - SMG

 

Mortar Section x 3 - 9 men - 2 x 81/82mm Mortar, 1 x SMG, 8 x R, 2 x Horse /Cart

- Section leader - SMG

- Gunner x 2 - R, 81/82mm mortar

- Loader x 2 - R

- Ammo handler x 2 - R

- Ammo bearer x 2 - R - also horse handler

 

Total - 66 ( 6 + 2 x 30 ) men - 6 x 81/82mm mortar, 13 x SMG, 52 x R, 1 x P, 6 x Horse /M46A Cart, 1 x Pack Horse

One platoon was broken to sections and each section attached to Rifle Co.

Bn had a total of 12 x 81/82mm mortars - 3 x 2 (in Rifle Cos)  + 6 (in Rifle Bn Support Co)

 

 

 

1954. Mortar platoon from a Rifle Bn Support Company:

 

- Plt Cmd - SMG

- Plt Sergeant/logistician - SMG

- Driver - R, 1/4t light vehicle

- Radioman - R

- Scout-spotter x 2 - SMG

 

Mortar Section x 3 - 12 men - 2 x 81/82mm Mortar, 3 x SMG, 9 x R, 1 x 2.5t truck

- Section leader - SMG

- Driver - R, 2.5t truck

- Gunner x 2 - R, 81/82mm mortar

- Loader x 2 - R

- Ammo handler x 2 - R

- Ammo bearer x 2 - R

- Ammo bearer x 2 - SMG

 

Total - 42 ( 6 + 3 x 12 ) men - 6 x 81/82mm mortar, 13 x SMG, 29 x R, 1 x 1/4t Light vehicle, 3 x 2.5t Truck

Bn had a total of 3 x 2 + 6 = 12 x 82mm mortars

 

 

 

1962. Mortar platoon from a Infantry Bn Support Company:

 

- Plt Cmd - SMG

- Plt Sergeant/logistician - SMG

- Driver - R, 1/4t light vehicle

- Radioman - R

- Scout-spotter x 2 - SMG

 

Mortar Section x 3 - 10 men - 2 x 81/82mm Mortar, 3 x SMG, 5 x R, 2 x P, 1 x 2.5t truck

- Section leader - SMG

- Driver - R, 2.5t truck

- Gunner x 2 - P, 81/82mm mortar

- Loader x 2 - R

- Ammo handler x 2 - R

- Ammo bearer x 2 - SMG

 

Total - 36 ( 6 + 3 x 10 ) men - 6 x 81/82mm mortar, 13 x SMG, 17 x R, 6 x P, 1 x 1/4t Light vehicle, 3 x 2.5t Truck

Bn had a total of 3 x 2 + 6 = 12 x 82mm mortars
 
 
 

1969. Mortar platoon from a Infantry Bn Support Company:

 

- Plt Cmd - SMG

- Plt Sergeant/logistician - SMG

- Driver - SAR, 1/4t light vehicle

- Radioman - SAR

- Scout-spotter x 2 - SMG

 

Mortar Section x 3 - 10 men - 2 x 82mm Mortar, 1 x SMG, 7 x SAR, 2 x P, 1 x 5t truck

- Section leader - SMG

- Driver - R, 2.5t truck

- Gunner x 2 - P, 81/82mm mortar

- Loader x 2 - SAR

- Ammo handler x 2 - SAR

- Ammo bearer x 2 - SAR

 

Total - 36 ( 6 + 3 x 10 ) men - 6 x 82mm mortar, 7 x SMG, 23 x SAR, 6 x P, 1 x 1/4t Light vehicle, 3 x 5t Truck

Bn had a total of 3 x 2 + 6 = 12 x 82mm mortars

 

 

 

1971. Mortar platoon (attached to a Infantry Bn HQ)

 

- Plt Cmd - AR

- Plt Sergeant/logistician - AR

- Driver - SAR, Light vehicle /trailer

- Radioman - SAR

- Scout-spotter x 2 - AR

 

Mortar Section x 3 - 10 men - 2 x 82mm Mortar, 1 x AR, 7 x SAR, 2 x P, 1 x 5t truck

- Section leader - AR

- Driver - R, 2.5t truck

- Gunner x 2 - P, 81/82mm mortar

- Assistants x 6 - SAR

 

Total - 36 ( 6 + 3 x 10 ) men - 6 x 82mm mortar, 7 x AR, 23 x SAR, 6 x P, 1 x Light vehicle /trailer, 3 x 5t Truck

Bn had a total of 3 x 2 + 6 = 12 x 82mm mortars

 
 
 
1977. Mortar platoon (attached to a Infantry Bn HQ)

 

- Plt Cmd - AR

- Plt Sergeant/logistician - AR

- Driver - SAR, Light vehicle /trailer

- Radioman - SAR

- Scout-spotter x 2 - AR

 

Mortar Section x 4 - 10 men - 2 x 82mm Mortar, 1 x AR, 7 x SAR, 2 x P, 1 x 5t truck

- Section leader - AR

- Driver - R, 2.5t truck

- Gunner x 2 - P, 81/82mm mortar

- Assistants x 6 - SAR

 

Total - 46 ( 6 + 4 x 10 ) men - 8 x 82mm mortar, 8 x AR, 30 x SAR, 8 x P, 1 x Light vehicle /trailer, 4 x 5t Truck

Bn had a total of 3 x 2 + 8 = 14 x 82mm mortars


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Posted Yesterday, 07:14 AM

In 1983. Bn level mortar support was reorganized and reinforced, with a Mixed Mortar Battery with 4 x 120mm and 8 x 82mm mortar.

 

1983. Mixed Mortar Battery (from an 1983. and 1985. Infantry Battalion):

 

Bty HQ - 28 men - 9 x AR, 18 x SAR, 1 x P, 1 x 5t truck, 1 x 1.5t truck, 1 x 6-seat vehicle, 4 x LAW

Command section - 5 men - 3 x AR, 1 x SAR, 1 x P, 1 x 6-seat vehicle, 1 x LAW

- Bty Cmd - AR

- Bty 2inC/PO - AR

- Bty Jr Officer - AR

- Medic - P

- Driver - SAR, 6-seat vehicle

 

Command Platoon - 23 men - 6 x AR, 17 x SAR, 1 x 5t truck, 1 x 1.5t truck, 3 x LAW

- Plt Cmd - AR

- Driver - SAR, 1.5t truck, 1 x LAW

 

Recce-spotter section - 5 men - 3 x AR, 2 x SAR, 2 x LAW

- Section leader - AR

- Scout-spotter x 2 - AR, LAW

- Rangefinders x 2 - SAR 

 

Signal section - 12 men - 1 x AR, 11 x SAR, 1 x 5t Truck

- Section leader - AR

- Radioman x 4 - SAR

- Telephone operator x 6 - SAR

- Driver - SAR, 5t truck

 

Fire plotting section - 4 men - 1 x AR, 3 x SAR

- Section leader (also battery plotter) - AR

- Plotter x 3 - SAR

 

120mm Mortar Platoon - 26 men - 4 x 120mm Mortar, 4 x MG, 5 x AR, 21 x SAR, 1 x 5t truck, 4 x 1.5t truck, 4 x LAW

- Plt Cmd - AR

- Driver - SAR, 5t truck

 

120mm mortar section x 4 - 6 men - 1 x 120mm Mortar, 1 x AR, 5 x SAR, 1 x 1.5t truck, 1 x LAW

- Section leader - AR

- Gunner - SAR

- Assistants x 4 - 3 x SAR, 1 x MG  - one assistant is also a truck driver

 

 

82mm Mortar Platoon - 38 men - 8 x 82mm Mortar, 5 x AR, 25 x SAR, 5 x 5t truck, 4 x LAW

- Plt Cmd - AR

- Driver - SAR, 5t Truck

 

82mm Mortar Section x 4 - 9 men - 2 x 82mm Mortar, 1 x AR, 6 x SAR, 2 x P, 1 x 5t truck, 1 x LAW

- Section leader - AR

- Gunner x 2 - P, 81/82mm mortar

- Assistants x 6 - SAR - one assistant is also a truck driver

 

 

Total - 89 ( 5 + 23 + 26 + 38 ) men - 4 x 120mm Mortar, 8 x 82mm Mortar, 4 x MG, 19 x AR, 63 x SAR, 1 x P, 12 x LAW, 6 x 5t Truck, 5 x 1.5t truck, 1 x 6-seat vehicle

 

1983. Bn with 1983 Mixed Mortar battery had a total of: 3 x 2 + 8 = 14 x 82mm mortar + 4 x 120mm mortar

1985. Bn with 1983 Mixed Mortar battery had a total od 8 x 82mm Mortar + 4 x 120mm mortar. In this case, 82mm Mortar Sections could be separated from a 82mm Mortar platoon and attached directly to the Infantry Cos. Infantry Co in contact was supposed to get two sections (4 x 82mm mortar), while supporting and reserve Infantry Co would get one section (2 x 82mm mortar). Optionally, whole 82mm Mortar Platoon could be attached to a single Infantry Company in contact.

 

Basic ammo load was 60 rounds for both 82mm and 120mm mortars.


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Posted Yesterday, 07:27 AM


1987. Mixed Mortar Company (from an 1987. Infantry Battalion):

 

Bty HQ - 28 men - 26 x AR, 1 x AP, 1 x P, 1 x 5t truck, 1 x 1.5t truck, 1 x 6-seat vehicle, 3 x LAW

Command section - 5 men - 3 x AR, 1 x AP, 1 x P, 1 x 6-seat vehicle, 1 x LAW

- Bty Cmd - AP

- Bty 2inC/PO - AR

- Bty Jr Officer - AR

- Medic - P

- Driver - AR, 6-seat vehicle

 

Command Platoon - 23 men - 23 x AR, 1 x 5t truck, 1 x 1.5t truck, 2 x LAW

- Plt Cmd - AR

- Driver - AR, 1.5t truck

 

Recce-spotter section - 5 men - 3 x AR, 2 x SAR, 2 x LAW

- Section leader - AR

- Scout-spotter x 2 - AR, LAW

- Rangefinders x 2 - AR 

 

Signal section - 12 men - 12 x AR, 1 x 5t Truck

- Section leader - AR

- Radioman x 4 - AR

- Telephone operator x 6 - AR

- Driver - AR, 5t truck

 

Fire plotting section - 4 men - 4 x AR

- Section leader (also battery plotter) - AR

- Plotter x 3 - SAR

 

120mm Mortar Platoon x 2 -  17 men - 3 x 120mm Mortar, 3 x MG, 14 x AR, 1 x 5t truck, 3 x 1.5t truck, 3 x LAW

- Plt Cmd - AR

- Driver - AR, 5t truck

 

120mm mortar section x 3 - 5 men - 1 x 120mm Mortar, 1 x MG, 4 x AR, 1 x 1.5t truck, 1 x LAW

- Section leader - AR

- Gunner - AR

- Assistants x 3 - 2 x AR, 1 x MG  - one assistant is also a truck driver

 

 

82mm Mortar Platoon - 29 men - 6 x 82mm Mortar,  23 x AR, 4 x 5t truck, 3 x LAW

- Plt Cmd - AR

- Driver - AR, 5t Truck

 

82mm Mortar Section x 3 - 9 men - 2 x 82mm Mortar, 7 x AR, 2 x P, 1 x 5t truck, 1 x LAW

- Section leader - AR

- Gunner x 2 - P, 81/82mm mortar

- Assistants x 6 - SAR - one assistant is also a truck driver

 

 

Total - 91 ( 5 + 23 + 2 x 17 + 29 ) men - 6 x 120mm Mortar, 6 x 82mm Mortar, 6 x MG, 77 x AR, 1 x AP, 1 x P, 12 x LAW, 6 x 5t Truck, 7 x 1.5t truck, 1 x 6-seat vehicle

 

1987. Bn with 1987 Mixed Mortar Company had a total od 6 x 82mm Mortar + 6 x 120mm mortar. In this case, 82mm Mortar Sections could be separated from a 82mm Mortar platoon and attached directly to the Infantry Cos. Infantry Co in contact was supposed to get two sections (4 x 82mm mortar), while supporting  co was supposed to get one section (2 x 82mm mortar). Reserve Co would not get any. Optionally, whole 82mm Mortar Platoon could be attached to a single Infantry Company in contact.

 

Basic ammo load was 60 rounds for both 82mm and 120mm mortars.


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Posted Yesterday, 07:34 AM

The U.S. 4.2 inch mortar was rifled and other similar caliber mortars were, afaik, not. Does this make a difference on the effectiveness of said mortars?


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Posted Yesterday, 07:36 AM

1993. 120mm Mortar Company (from an 1993. Infantry Battalion):

 

Since 1993. Infantry Companies each got own 82mm (or 60mm) mortar platoon, 82mm mortars were removed from a Bn level support.

 

Bty HQ - 28 men - 27 x AR, 1 x P, 1 x 5t truck, 1 x 1.5t truck, 1 x 6-seat vehicle, 3 x LAW

Command section - 5 men - 4 x AR, 1 x AP, 1 x P, 1 x 6-seat vehicle, 1 x LAW

- Bty Cmd - AR

- Bty 2inC/PO - AR

- Bty Jr Officer - AR

- Medic - P

- Driver - AR, 6-seat vehicle

 

Command Platoon - 23 men - 24 x AR, 1 x 5t truck, 1 x 1.5t truck, 2 x LAW

- Plt Cmd - AR

- Plt 2inC - AR

- Driver - AR, 1.5t truck

 

Recce-spotter section - 5 men - 3 x AR, 2 x SAR, 2 x LAW

- Section leader - AR

- Scout-spotter x 2 - AR, LAW

- Rangefinders x 2 - AR 

 

Signal section - 12 men - 12 x AR, 1 x 5t Truck

- Section leader - AR

- Radioman x 4 - AR

- Telephone operator x 6 - AR

- Driver - AR, 5t truck

 

Fire plotting section - 4 men - 4 x AR

- Section leader (also battery plotter) - AR

- Plotter x 3 - SAR

 

120mm Mortar Platoon x 2 -  18 men - 3 x 120mm Mortar, 3 x MG, 15 x AR, 1 x 5t truck, 3 x 1.5t truck, 6 x LAW

- Plt Cmd - AR

- Plt 2inC - Ar

- Driver - AR, 5t truck

 

120mm mortar section x 3 - 5 men - 1 x 120mm Mortar, 1 x MG, 4 x AR, 1 x 1.5t truck, 1 x LAW

- Section leader - AR

- Gunner - AR

- Assistants x 3 - 2 x AR, 1 x MG  - one assistant is also a truck driver

 

 

Total - 65 ( 5 + 24 + 2 x 18 ) men - 6 x 120mm Mortar, 6 x MG, 58 x AR, 1 x P, 15 x LAW, 3 x 5t Truck, 7 x 1.5t truck, 1 x 6-seat vehicle

 

1993. Infantry Bn had 3 x 4 = 12 x 82mm or 18 x 60mm mortar (in 3 Infantry Cos) and 6 x 120mm mortar (at Bn level)


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Posted Yesterday, 07:41 AM

The U.S. 4.2 inch mortar was rifled and other similar caliber mortars were, afaik, not. Does this make a difference on the effectiveness of said mortars?

 

Rifled ones are more accurate in theory, but difference is not large at a usual mortar ranges for it to be considered worthy tradeoff for a higher weight of the rifled barrels.

Worst thing for a mortar accuracy are first few additional charges.

Mortars tend to be really accurate at "zero" charge (only built-in propellant, with no additional charges), then dispersion (both absolute and relative) increases when you add first few charges, then stabilizes again at higher charges.


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Posted Yesterday, 11:04 AM

1945. AT platoon (from a Rifle Bn Support Company)

 

Plt Cmd Section - 3 men - 1 x SMG, 2 x R

- Plt Cmd - SMG

- Runner x 2 - R

 

ATG section - 13 men - 2 x ATG, 3 x SMG, 10 x R

- Section leader - SMG

- Gunner x 2 - ATG, R

- Loader x 2 - R

- Ammo handlers x 6 - 4 x R, 2 x SMG

 

AT section x 2 -  5 men - 2 x ATR, 3 x SMG, 2 x R

- Section leader - SMG

- AT gunner - ATR, R

- Assistant - SMG

 

Total - 26 ( 3 + 13 + 2 x 5 ) men - 2 x ATG***, 4 x ATR, 10 x SMG, 16 x R

Total AT firepower for a Rifle Bn (Soviet and "Old" type) - 3 x 2 + 4 = 10 x ATR, 2 x ATG

Total AT firepower for a Rifle Bn (British type) - 3 x 3 + 4 = 13 x ATR/ATW, 2 x ATG

 

*** AT guns were a mish mash of 37mm, 45mm and 47mm models.

 

 

 

1947. AT platoon (attached to a Rifle Bn HQ)

 

Plt Cmd Section - 3 men - 1 x SMG, 2 x R

- Plt Cmd - SMG

- Runner x 2 - R

 

ATG section - 13 men - 2 x ATG, 3 x SMG, 10 x R

- Section leader - SMG

- Gunner x 2 - ATG, R

- Loader x 2 - R

- Ammo handlers x 6 - 4 x R, 2 x SMG

 

AT section x 2 -  9 men - 4 x ATR/ATW, 5 x SMG, 4 x R

- Section leader - SMG

- AT gunner x 4 - ATR/ATW, R

- Assistant x 4 - SMG

 

Total - 34 ( 3 + 13 + 2 x 9 ) men - 2 x ATG, 8 x ATR/ATW, 14 x SMG, 20 x R

Total AT firepower for a 1947. Rifle Bn - 3 x 4 + 8 = 20 x ATW, 2 x ATG

 

 

1954. AT platoon (from a Rifle Bn Support Company)

 

Plt Cmd Section - 4 men - 2 x SMG, 2 x R, 1 x 2.5t truck

- Plt Cmd - SMG

- Plt 2inC - SMG

- Radioman - R

- Driver - R, 2.5t truck

 

RCL section - 13 men - 2 x 105mm RCL, 3 x SMG, 10 x R, 2 x 3/4t vehicle

- Section leader - SMG

- Driver x 2 - R, 3/4t vehicle

- Gunner x 2 - 105mm RCL, R

- Loader x 2 - R

- Ammo handlers x 6 - 4 x R, 2 x SMG

 

AT section x 2 -  9 men - 4 x ATW, 5 x SMG, 4 x R

- Section leader - SMG

- AT gunner x 4 - ATW, R

- Assistant x 4 - SMG

 

Total - 35 ( 4 + 13 + 2 x 9 ) men - 2 x 105mm RCL,  8 x ATW, 15 x SMG, 20 x R, 2 x 3/4t Vehicle, 1 x 5t Truck

Total AT firepower for a 1954. Rifle Bn - 3 x 10 + 8 = 38 x ATW, 3 x 2 = 6 x 75mm RCL, 2 x 105mm RCL

 

 

 

1954. RCL Platoon (from a Rifle Bn Support Co) - some Rifle Bn Support Cos had RCL instead of AT platoon.

 

Plt Cmd Section - 4 men - 2 x SMG, 2 x R, 1 x 1/4t light vehicle

- Plt Cmd - SMG

- Plt 2inC - SMG

- Radioman - R

- Driver - R, 1/4t vehicle

 

RCL section x 3 - 10 men - 2 x 75mm RCL, 3 x SMG, 7 x R, 1 x 2.5t truck

- Section leader - SMG

- Driver - R, 2.5t truck

- Gunner x 2 - 75mm RCL, R

- Loader x 2 - R

- Ammo handler x 2 - R

- Ammo bearer x 2 - SMG

 

Total - 34 ( 4 + 3 x 10 ) men - 6 x 75mm RCL, 11 x SMG, 23 x R, 1 x 1/4t light vehicle, 3 x 2.5t truck

Total AT firepower for a 1954. Rifle Bn - 3 x 10 = 30 x ATW, 3 x 2 + 6 = 12 x 75mm RCL

 

 

 

1962. AT Platoon (from a Infantry Bn Support Co):

 

Plt Cmd Section - 4 men - 2 x SMG, 2 x R, 1 x 2.5t truck

- Plt Cmd - SMG

- Plt 2inC - SMG

- Radioman - R

- Driver - R, 2.5t truck

 

RCL section - 13 men - 2 x 105mm RCL, 3 x SMG, 8 x R, 2 x P, 2 x 3/4t vehicle

- Section leader - SMG

- Driver x 2 - R, 3/4t vehicle

- Gunner x 2 - 105mm RCL, P

- Loader x 2 - R

- Ammo handlers x 6 - 4 x R, 2 x SMG

 

AT section x 2 -  9 men - 4 x ATW, 5 x SMG, 4 x P

- Section leader - SMG

- AT gunner x 4 - ATW, P

- Assistant x 4 - SMG

 

 

Total - 35 ( 4 + 13 + 2 x 9 ) men - 2 x 105mm RCL,  8 x ATW, 15 x SMG, 10 x R, 10 x P, 2 x 3/4t Vehicle, 1 x 5t Truck

Total AT firepower for a 1962. Infantry Bn - 3 x 12 + 8 = 44 x ATW, 3 x 2 = 6 x 82mm RCL, 2 x 105mm RCL

 

 

1969. RCL Platoon (from an Infantry Bn Support Co)

 

Plt Cmd Section - 3 men - 2 x SMG, 1 x SAR

- Plt Cmd - SMG

- Plt 2inC - SMG

- Radioman - SAR

 

RCL section x 3 - 12 men - 2 x 82mm RCL, 1 x SMG, 9 x SAR, 2 x P, 1 x 5t truck

- Section leader - SMG

- Driver - SAR, 5t truck

- Gunner x 2 - 82mm RCL, P

- Assistants x 8 - SAR

 

Total - 39 ( 3 + 3 x 12 ) men - 6 x 82mm RCL, 5 x SMG, 28 x SAR, 6 x P,  3 x 5t truck

Total AT firepower for a 1969. Infantry Bn - 3 x 15 = 45 x ATW, 6 x 82mm RCL

 

 

 

1971. RCL Platoon (attached to Infantry Bn HQ)

 

Plt Cmd Section - 3 men - 2 x AR, 1 x SAR

- Plt Cmd - AR

- Plt 2inC - AR

- Radioman - SAR

 

RCL section x 3 - 12 men - 2 x 82mm RCL, 1 x AR, 9 x SAR, 2 x P, 1 x 5t truck

- Section leader - AR

- Driver - SAR, 5t truck

- Gunner x 2 - 82mm RCL, P

- Assistants x 8 - SAR

 

Total - 39 ( 3 + 3 x 12 ) men - 6 x 82mm RCL, 5 x AR, 28 x SAR, 6 x P,  3 x 5t truck

 

 

1971. Mixed AT Platoon (attached to Infantry Bn HQ)

- Plt Cmd - AR

- Driver x 2 - SAR, 5t Truck

 

ATGM section x 3 - 4 men - 1 x ATGM launcher (4 missiles), 1 x AR, 3 x SAR

- Section leader - AR

- ATGM operator  - SAR, ATGM launcher

- Assistants x 2 - SAR

 

AT Section x 2 - 9 men - 4 x ATW, 1 x AR, 4 x SAR, 4 x P

- Section leader - AR

- AT gunner x 4 - ATW, P

- Assistant x 4 - SAR

 

Total - 33 (3 + 3 x 4 + 2 x 9) men - 3 x ATGM launcher, 8 x ATW, 5 x AR, 19 x SAR, 8 x P

Total AT firepower for a 1971. Infantry Bn - 3 x 8 + 8 + 2* = 34 x ATW, 3 x 2 + 6 = 12 x 82mm RCL, 3 x ATGM launcher

 

*One at technical maintenance platoon, other in the logistic platoon of the logistic company.

 

In 1977. org dedicate Anti-armor company was introduced in the Infantry Bn to handle Bn level AT duties..


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Posted Today, 05:35 AM

 

1945. AT platoon (from a Rifle Bn Support Company)

 

Plt Cmd Section - 3 men - 1 x SMG, 2 x R

- Plt Cmd - SMG

- Runner x 2 - R

 

ATG section - 13 men - 2 x ATG, 3 x SMG, 10 x R

- Section leader - SMG

- Gunner x 2 - ATG, R

- Loader x 2 - R

- Ammo handlers x 6 - 4 x R, 2 x SMG

 

AT section x 2 -  5 men - 2 x ATR, 3 x SMG, 2 x R

- Section leader - SMG

- AT gunner - ATR, R

- Assistant - SMG

 

Total - 26 ( 3 + 13 + 2 x 5 ) men - 2 x ATG***, 4 x ATR, 10 x SMG, 16 x R

Total AT firepower for a Rifle Bn (Soviet and "Old" type) - 3 x 2 + 4 = 10 x ATR, 2 x ATG

Total AT firepower for a Rifle Bn (British type) - 3 x 3 + 4 = 13 x ATR/ATW, 2 x ATG

 

*** AT guns were a mish mash of 37mm, 45mm and 47mm models.

 

 

 

1947. AT platoon (attached to a Rifle Bn HQ)

 

Plt Cmd Section - 3 men - 1 x SMG, 2 x R

- Plt Cmd - SMG

- Runner x 2 - R

 

ATG section - 13 men - 2 x ATG, 3 x SMG, 10 x R

- Section leader - SMG

- Gunner x 2 - ATG, R

- Loader x 2 - R

- Ammo handlers x 6 - 4 x R, 2 x SMG

 

AT section x 2 -  9 men - 4 x ATR/ATW, 5 x SMG, 4 x R

- Section leader - SMG

- AT gunner x 4 - ATR/ATW, R

- Assistant x 4 - SMG

 

Total - 34 ( 3 + 13 + 2 x 9 ) men - 2 x ATG, 8 x ATR/ATW, 14 x SMG, 20 x R

Total AT firepower for a 1947. Rifle Bn - 3 x 4 + 8 = 20 x ATW, 2 x ATG

 

 

1954. AT platoon (from a Rifle Bn Support Company)

 

Plt Cmd Section - 4 men - 2 x SMG, 2 x R, 1 x 2.5t truck

- Plt Cmd - SMG

- Plt 2inC - SMG

- Radioman - R

- Driver - R, 2.5t truck

 

RCL section - 13 men - 2 x 105mm RCL, 3 x SMG, 10 x R, 2 x 3/4t vehicle

- Section leader - SMG

- Driver x 2 - R, 3/4t vehicle

- Gunner x 2 - 105mm RCL, R

- Loader x 2 - R

- Ammo handlers x 6 - 4 x R, 2 x SMG

 

AT section x 2 -  9 men - 4 x ATW, 5 x SMG, 4 x R

- Section leader - SMG

- AT gunner x 4 - ATW, R

- Assistant x 4 - SMG

 

Total - 35 ( 4 + 13 + 2 x 9 ) men - 2 x 105mm RCL,  8 x ATW, 15 x SMG, 20 x R, 2 x 3/4t Vehicle, 1 x 5t Truck

Total AT firepower for a 1954. Rifle Bn - 3 x 10 + 8 = 38 x ATW, 3 x 2 = 6 x 75mm RCL, 2 x 105mm RCL

 

 

 

1954. RCL Platoon (from a Rifle Bn Support Co) - some Rifle Bn Support Cos had RCL instead of AT platoon.

 

Plt Cmd Section - 4 men - 2 x SMG, 2 x R, 1 x 1/4t light vehicle

- Plt Cmd - SMG

- Plt 2inC - SMG

- Radioman - R

- Driver - R, 1/4t vehicle

 

RCL section x 3 - 10 men - 2 x 75mm RCL, 3 x SMG, 7 x R, 1 x 2.5t truck

- Section leader - SMG

- Driver - R, 2.5t truck

- Gunner x 2 - 75mm RCL, R

- Loader x 2 - R

- Ammo handler x 2 - R

- Ammo bearer x 2 - SMG

 

Total - 34 ( 4 + 3 x 10 ) men - 6 x 75mm RCL, 11 x SMG, 23 x R, 1 x 1/4t light vehicle, 3 x 2.5t truck

Total AT firepower for a 1954. Rifle Bn - 3 x 10 = 30 x ATW, 3 x 2 + 6 = 12 x 75mm RCL

 

 

 

1962. AT Platoon (from a Infantry Bn Support Co):

 

Plt Cmd Section - 4 men - 2 x SMG, 2 x R, 1 x 2.5t truck

- Plt Cmd - SMG

- Plt 2inC - SMG

- Radioman - R

- Driver - R, 2.5t truck

 

RCL section - 13 men - 2 x 105mm RCL, 3 x SMG, 8 x R, 2 x P, 2 x 3/4t vehicle

- Section leader - SMG

- Driver x 2 - R, 3/4t vehicle

- Gunner x 2 - 105mm RCL, P

- Loader x 2 - R

- Ammo handlers x 6 - 4 x R, 2 x SMG

 

AT section x 2 -  9 men - 4 x ATW, 5 x SMG, 4 x P

- Section leader - SMG

- AT gunner x 4 - ATW, P

- Assistant x 4 - SMG

 

 

Total - 35 ( 4 + 13 + 2 x 9 ) men - 2 x 105mm RCL,  8 x ATW, 15 x SMG, 10 x R, 10 x P, 2 x 3/4t Vehicle, 1 x 5t Truck

Total AT firepower for a 1962. Infantry Bn - 3 x 12 + 8 = 44 x ATW, 3 x 2 = 6 x 82mm RCL, 2 x 105mm RCL

 

 

1969. RCL Platoon (from an Infantry Bn Support Co)

 

Plt Cmd Section - 3 men - 2 x SMG, 1 x SAR

- Plt Cmd - SMG

- Plt 2inC - SMG

- Radioman - SAR

 

RCL section x 3 - 12 men - 2 x 82mm RCL, 1 x SMG, 9 x SAR, 2 x P, 1 x 5t truck

- Section leader - SMG

- Driver - SAR, 5t truck

- Gunner x 2 - 82mm RCL, P

- Assistants x 8 - SAR

 

Total - 39 ( 3 + 3 x 12 ) men - 6 x 82mm RCL, 5 x SMG, 28 x SAR, 6 x P,  3 x 5t truck

Total AT firepower for a 1969. Infantry Bn - 3 x 15 = 45 x ATW, 6 x 82mm RCL

 

 

 

1971. RCL Platoon (attached to Infantry Bn HQ)

 

Plt Cmd Section - 3 men - 2 x AR, 1 x SAR

- Plt Cmd - AR

- Plt 2inC - AR

- Radioman - SAR

 

RCL section x 3 - 12 men - 2 x 82mm RCL, 1 x AR, 9 x SAR, 2 x P, 1 x 5t truck

- Section leader - AR

- Driver - SAR, 5t truck

- Gunner x 2 - 82mm RCL, P

- Assistants x 8 - SAR

 

Total - 39 ( 3 + 3 x 12 ) men - 6 x 82mm RCL, 5 x AR, 28 x SAR, 6 x P,  3 x 5t truck

 

 

1971. Mixed AT Platoon (attached to Infantry Bn HQ)

- Plt Cmd - AR

- Driver x 2 - SAR, 5t Truck

 

ATGM section x 3 - 4 men - 1 x ATGM launcher (4 missiles), 1 x AR, 3 x SAR

- Section leader - AR

- ATGM operator  - SAR, ATGM launcher

- Assistants x 2 - SAR

 

AT Section x 2 - 9 men - 4 x ATW, 1 x AR, 4 x SAR, 4 x P

- Section leader - AR

- AT gunner x 4 - ATW, P

- Assistant x 4 - SAR

 

Total - 33 (3 + 3 x 4 + 2 x 9) men - 3 x ATGM launcher, 8 x ATW, 5 x AR, 19 x SAR, 8 x P

Total AT firepower for a 1971. Infantry Bn - 3 x 8 + 8 + 2* = 34 x ATW, 3 x 2 + 6 = 12 x 82mm RCL, 3 x ATGM launcher

 

*One at technical maintenance platoon, other in the logistic platoon of the logistic company.

 

In 1977. org dedicate Anti-armor company was introduced in the Infantry Bn to handle Bn level AT duties..

 

The 1947 AT Platoon, ATW stands for anti-tank weapon? A bazooka? ATR stands for the Soviet anti-tank rifle?

The 1962 105mm RCL, what was that? Not trying to be nit-picky but would that be the U.S. 106mm recoiless rifle?


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Posted Today, 06:52 AM

Yes - ATR is anti-tank rifle, not just Soviet, but a various WW2 leftovers (Boys was probably most 3rd common after PTRD and PTRS). Interestingly, after being removed from service in 1950s those were reclasified as a "heavy rifles" and stayed in storage for a long time, even seeing sporadic use during Yugoslav wars. After Territorial Defense was formed those were seen as a decent anti-material weapon for TD, and were supposed to be issued "as needed" to a various stay-behind TD formations.

 

ATW is any other anti-tank weapon, in 1947. org that would be WW2 leftover Piat, Panzerschreck, Panzerfaust or M9 Bazooka. Local parlance has two designations "RBR" - "Rucni Bacac Raketa" - lit. "Hand(held) Rocket Thrower" used for rocket propelled AT weapons like Bazooka, Panzerschreck or local M79. Other is "RB" from "Rucni Bacac", lit. "Hand(held) thrower" used for all other types of AT weapons that don't use rocket as a mean of the propulsion - Panzerfaust, PIAT, local M49 and M57 etc.

Timeline of ATWs in various orgs:

1947 - M9 Bazooka, Panzerschreck, PIAT, Panzerfaust

1954 - M49, M20 Bazooka (M9 Bazooka for Light and Mountain units)

1962. - M57

1969 - M57

1971/77 - M57

1981 - M57 or M79

1985/87/90/93 - M79

Ofc, reserve would use older weapons, and TD would use practically anything (M20 Bazooka were sporadically used during Yugoslav wars).

 

105mm RCL is US 105mm M27, predecessor to a 105mm M40. After late '60s those were put in the storage, since local 82mm M60 RCL had a comparable range and penetration and was also lighter. There was an attempt to produce local 105mm M65 RCL (enlarged version of 82mm M60), compatible with same ammo that M27 used, but it was canceled as it was too heavy for a horse transport, so unsuitable for a Hill/Mountain and Light type units, and ATGMs were seen as a future for a line infantry units. 105mm M27 also saw at least one use during Yugoslav wars.


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Posted Today, 09:51 AM

1954. Hill Support Co/Hill Rifle Bn

 

Co HQ - 6 men - 2 x SMG, 2 x R, 2 x P

- Co Cmd - P

- Co 2inC - SMG

- Co Jr Officer - SMG

- Radioman - R

- Medic - P

- Driver - R, 1/4t light vehicle

 

81/82mm Mortar Platoon - 25 men - 4 x 81/82mm Mortar, 10 x SMG, 15 x R, 2 x Pack horse, 2 x Ammo horse, 1 x Horse /cart or 3/4t vehicle

- Plt Cmd - SMG

- Plt 2inC - SMG, Horse /cart or 3/4t vehicle

- Radioman - R

- Scout-spotter x 2 - SMG

 

Mortar Section x 2 - 10 men - 2 x 81/82mm Mortar, 3 x SMG, 7 x R, 2 x Pack Horse, 2 x Ammo horse

- Section leader - SMG

- Horse handler - R

- Mortar gunner x 2 - 81/82mm mortar, R

- Loader x 2 - R

- Ammo handler x 2 - R (one /RG attachment), Pack horse

- Ammo bearer x 2 - SMG, Ammo horse

 

AT Platoon - 37 men - 2 x 75mm RCL, 6 x ATW, 16 x SMG, 21 x R, 4 x Pack horse, 4 x Ammo horse, 1 x Horse /cart or 3/4t vehicle

- Plt Cmd - SMG

- Plt 2inC - SMG

- Horse handler or Driver - R, Horse /cart or 3/4t vehicle

 

RCL Section x 2 - 10 men - 2 x 75mm RCL, 3 x SMG, 7 x R, 2 x Pack horse, 2 x Ammo horse

- Section leader - SMG

- Horse handler - R

- RCL gunner x 2 - 75mm RCL, R

- Loader x 2 - R

- Ammo handler x 2 - R (one /RG attachment), Pack horse

- Ammo bearer x 2 - SMG, Ammo horse

 

AT Section x 2 - 7 men - 3 x ATW, 4 x SMG, 3 x R

- Section leader - SMG

- AT gunner x 3 - ATW, R

- Assistant x 3 - SMG

 

 

AAMG Platoon - 23 men - 4 x 12.7mm AAMG, 8 x SMG, 15 x R, 2 x Pack horse, 2 x Ammo horse, 1 x Horse/cart or 3/4t vehicle

- Plt Cmd - SMG

- Plt 2inC - SMG

- Horse Handler or Driver - R, Horse /cart or 3/4t vehicle

 

AAMG Section x 2 - 10 men - 2 x 12.7mm AAMG, 3 x SMG, 7 x R, 2 x Pack horse, 2 x Ammo horse

- Section leader - SMG

- Horse handler - R

- AAMG gunner x 2 - 12.7mm AAMG, R

- Assistant x 2 - R (one /RG attachment)

- Ammo handler x 2 - R, Pack horse

- Ammo bearer x 2 - SMG, Ammo horse

 

Total - 91 ( 6 + 25 + 37 + 23 ) men - 4 x 81/82mm Mortar, 4 x 75mm RCL, 4 x 12.7mm AAMG, 6 x ATW, 36 x SMG, 53 x R (6 /RG attachment), 2 x P, 12 x Pack horse, 12 x Ammo horse, 3 x Horse /cart or 3/4t vehicle.

 

Additionally, company has logistic section (Attached from a Bn Logistic Company) made of:

- Driver x 3

- Radioman x 1

- 1 x 1/4t light vehicle /radio

- 2 x Truck


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Posted Today, 11:50 AM

this is all in all one of my favourite threads in tanknet, the yugo inventories are like finnish post-war ones. as one senior  EDF officer said (not at all disparagingly) ´they saved last years farts too, just in case´  :) 

 

i would be most thankful if you could describe  artillery , logistics, vehicles etc. too. 

 

i was home alone for the weekend and went through the thread, googling equipment, then going to  wiki pages of yugo vehicle industry and then ending in youtube  watching  1970-80´s FIAT and YUGO passenger models , TAM trucks . and drank wine till almost 4 AM.  :wub:​ 

 

 

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