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#1 Tantalwz88

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Posted 18 November 2017 - 0607 AM

Poland – Integrated Air and Missile Defense (IAMD) Battle Command System (IBCS)-enabled Patriot Configuration-3+ with Modernized Sensors and Components

 

http://www.dsca.mil/...em-ibcs-enabled

 

 

WASHINGTON, Nov. 17, 2017 - The State Department has made a determination approving a possible Foreign Military Sale to Poland for an Integrated Air and Missile Defense (IAMD) Battle Command System (IBCS)-enabled Patriot Configuration-3+ with Modernized Sensors and Components for an estimated cost of $10.5 billion.  The Defense Security Cooperation Agency delivered the required certification notifying Congress of this possible sale on November 14, 2017.

The Government of Poland has requested to purchase phase one of a two- phase program for an Integrated Air and Missile Defense (IAMD) Battle Command System (IBCS)-enabled Patriot Configuration-3+ with Modernized Sensors and Components consisting of four (4) AN/MPQ-65 radar sets, four (4) engagement control stations, four (4) Radar Interface Units (RIU) modification kits, sixteen (16) M903 Launching stations adapted, eighteen (18) Launcher Integrated Network Kits (LINKs) (includes two (2) spares), two hundred and eight (208) Patriot Advanced Capabilty-3 (PAC-3) Missile Segment Enhancement (MSE) missiles, eleven (11) PAC-3 MSE test missiles, IBCS software, two (2) future operations – IBCS Engagement Operations Centers (EOCs), six (6) current operations-IBCS EOCs, six (6) engagement operations-IBCS EOCs, fifteen (15) Integrated Fire Control Network (IFCN relays, four (4) Electrical Power Plants (EPP) III, and five (5) Multifunctional Information Distribution Systems/Low Volume Terminals (MIDS/LVTs).  Also included with this request are communications equipment, tools and test equipment, range and test programs, support equipment, prime movers, generators, publications and technical documentation, training equipment, spare and repair parts, personnel training, Technical Assistance Field Team (TAFT), U.S. Government and contractor technical, engineering, and logistics support services, Systems Integration and Checkout (SICO), field office support, and other related elements of logistics and program support.  The total estimated program cost is $10.5 billion.

 


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#2 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 18 November 2017 - 0820 AM

Just as a matter of interest, when do they enter service?


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Posted 18 November 2017 - 0922 AM

Sweden and Poland might have been MEADS customers, but the snail speed develoment...

 

 

My crystal ball tells me that Germany is going to drag on with MEADS for a few years and then buying some newer Patriot variant and PIPing the already in service MIM-104. :glare:


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Posted 18 November 2017 - 1120 AM

Just as a matter of interest, when do they enter service?

Dunno.


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Posted 19 November 2017 - 0946 AM

The way IADS is going, even western nations are adopting the Russian approach. The key term is "integrated". As newer and better components become available (radars, data links, missiles, etc...) they can be plugged in and enhance the system. The Patriot is a great missile as a stand alone item, but its all the other stuff (sentinel radars, AWACS and JSTARS feeds, other radars, etc..) that create the SA necessary for the IADS to function at a level approaching that which Russia achieves.

 

Oh BTW, IADS is one of the Army's "Top-6" development priorities.


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Posted 29 March 2018 - 0857 AM

The contract for phase I was signed yesterday.Poland will buy 2 batteries IBCS capable with 208 PAC-3 MSE missiles for 4,75 billion $.


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Posted 30 March 2018 - 0418 AM

2 batteries and 208 missiles for almost $5 billion? 

 

How many launchers are there in a battery?


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Posted 30 March 2018 - 0437 AM

It's a good system for what it is but it would be the Russians no1 target in the event of the balloon going up and a relatively easy one to neutralise.
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Posted 30 March 2018 - 0610 AM

It's a good system for what it is but it would be the Russians no1 target in the event of the balloon going up and a relatively easy one to neutralise.

 

It is no more stationary than SA-3 is, and only 2 launchers and IIRC 3 radars were total loss in 1999. Movement, movement, movement and a lot of the reserve positions.


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Posted 30 March 2018 - 0623 AM

Didnt they mounted SA3 on some T55 Chassis?


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Posted 30 March 2018 - 0821 AM

Didnt they mounted SA3 on some T55 Chassis?

Poles did, Yugoslavia/Serbia did not.

T-55 chassis only helps with mobility of the launcher, rest stayed truck mounted.


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Posted 30 March 2018 - 1119 AM

Yes, the poles were only using them to move the launchers around on the various launch sites. Its not really what you could call a mobile capability.


Edited by Stuart Galbraith, 30 March 2018 - 1119 AM.

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Posted 31 March 2018 - 0552 AM

https://www.expatica...ry_1780590.html

 

Russia on Thursday condemned what it called Poland's "progressive militarisation" after Warsaw said last week it had signed a deal on buying a US Patriot anti-missile system.

"We are concerned at the progressive militarisation of this country," foreign ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said, adding that "the signing of a contract to supply the American Patriot system served as recent confirmation for this".

Poland has signed an offset deal with the United States ahead of a final agreement to buy a Patriot anti-missile system, Defence Minister Mariusz Blaszczak said Friday.

"Warsaw is increasing its spending on defence and making serious efforts to achieve military and technical modernisation of its national armed forces. It is reforming the system of managing troops and increasing troop numbers," Zakharova said at a press briefing.

Moscow sees these moves as an "element of destabilisation of the military and political situation in Europe and an a threat to Russia's national security," Zakharova said, while stressing that the country's "defence resources are sufficient to ensure the impregnability of our borders and the protection of our territory."

The Patriot is a mobile air-defence system designed to intercept tactical ballistic missiles, low-flying cruise missiles and aircraft.

Moscow has in the past criticised plans to deploy the US Patriot missile system in Poland and Romania, calling this a breach of an arms control treaty signed in 1987.


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Posted 31 March 2018 - 0708 AM

I was ready to fly off the handle when I saw that last bit referring to the INF Treaty in several reports, but after some review think it probaby was some clueless news agency writer conflating the Russian complaints about the Patriots and Aegis Ashore rather than another step in political silliness.


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Posted 31 March 2018 - 0748 AM

Was MEADS not in the running? Seems a more compact and mobile system overall.


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Posted 31 March 2018 - 0751 AM

IIRC there was a requirement for the system to be already in service.


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Posted 31 March 2018 - 0757 AM

 

Russia on Thursday condemned what it called Poland's "progressive militarisation" after Warsaw said last week it had signed a deal on buying a US Patriot anti-missile system.

"We are concerned at the progressive militarisation of this country," foreign ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said, adding that "the signing of a contract to supply the American Patriot system served as recent confirmation for this".

 

"The S-400 is not an offensive system; it is a defensive system. We can sell it to Americans if they want to. So, there is really no issue from the strategic point of view," Chemezov was quoted as saying in an interview published on Saturday.

The head of Rostec said selling S-400 to a NATO member did not compromise Russia's security, when asked what the reasoning was behind the sale of the systems to Turkey, a member of the alliance.

"On the contrary, if a country is capable of ensuring the safety of its airspace, it will feel more secure. And those who might have intentions to attack this country will think twice," Chemezov explained.

 

https://sputniknews....llows-usa-sale/

 

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Posted 31 March 2018 - 0854 AM

I was ready to fly off the handle when I saw that last bit referring to the INF Treaty in several reports, but after some review think it probaby was some clueless news agency writer conflating the Russian complaints about the Patriots and Aegis Ashore rather than another step in political silliness.

 

You are probably right, but to be honest, nothing would really surprise me anymore. That probably is an argument the Russians WOULD use, at least with Journalists of the breathless sort.

 

 

 

 

Russia on Thursday condemned what it called Poland's "progressive militarisation" after Warsaw said last week it had signed a deal on buying a US Patriot anti-missile system.

"We are concerned at the progressive militarisation of this country," foreign ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said, adding that "the signing of a contract to supply the American Patriot system served as recent confirmation for this".

 

"The S-400 is not an offensive system; it is a defensive system. We can sell it to Americans if they want to. So, there is really no issue from the strategic point of view," Chemezov was quoted as saying in an interview published on Saturday.

The head of Rostec said selling S-400 to a NATO member did not compromise Russia's security, when asked what the reasoning was behind the sale of the systems to Turkey, a member of the alliance.

"On the contrary, if a country is capable of ensuring the safety of its airspace, it will feel more secure. And those who might have intentions to attack this country will think twice," Chemezov explained.

 

https://sputniknews....llows-usa-sale/

 

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There is never a facepalm meme around when you want one. :D Exactly, spot on in fact. Defensive systems are aggressive except when Russia does it.


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Posted 31 March 2018 - 1702 PM

2 batteries and 208 missiles for almost $5 billion? 

 

How many launchers are there in a battery?

 

To my knowledge there will be 16 launchers with 208 PAC-3 MSE missiles (plus something for testing/training) and four AN/MPQ-65. Another batteries with more missiles are planned to be bought later.


Edited by Pavel Novak, 31 March 2018 - 1702 PM.

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Posted 31 March 2018 - 1942 PM

Just keep moving them around frequently and randomly and invest in plenty of decoys and C-RAM systems to protect them.
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