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#761 Simon Tan

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Posted 27 June 2020 - 1151 AM

We has best LMG AND SLR! 


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#762 Markus Becker

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Posted 27 June 2020 - 1358 PM

And a very good HMG too.

As far as the MMG goes we don't have to adopt the MG33 to boost its reputation to get export sales. The Germans have already adopted it. OTOH, we make MG33 for the Germans, so making a few for AFV would be no big deal. Provided you can use the belt for your belt fed M1930 variant without any complications.

And speaking of AFV. Stug II, Ausf.D is rolling out in Germany. Increased frontal armour, reinforced suspension, more powerful engine. With the Panzertruppe eyeing the next generation of tanks and our good standing the Stug should be easily available.
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#763 Simon Tan

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Posted 28 June 2020 - 0626 AM

Those Germans are not their Army but Hitler's party militia called the SS-VT. I understand they are not willing to wait for their MG34 allocations. We are supplying them through the main German military liaison mission rather than directly. They are also buying pistols and machine carbines.


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#764 Markus Becker

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Posted 28 June 2020 - 1457 PM

That explains why their criticism of us arming the Spanish is so tempered. Given the trouble the MG34 is to manufacture they'd probably never get it. We could still try for some Stug. It's not like we can't pay good money and we helped the army out with HMG for Panzer I.
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#765 Markus Becker

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Posted 28 June 2020 - 1703 PM

Tankovian small arms as of early 1938.

Pistols: See page 36.


Machine carbines: All in 9mm Luger.

 
M1913 and 1921: Fixed 10 round magazine. Used by rear echelon units and militia.

M1922: 20 round DBM, used by field- and anti aircraft artillery. Some use by militia and rear echelon units.

M1935: Succesor of the M1925. Used by AFV, infantry-, AT-gun, mortar, HMG crews, fortress troops and combat engineers. Infantry use mainly by reserve units.


Rifles: All in 7*57mm Mauser.


M1912/30:  Straight pull with a 10 round detachable magazine. Used by regular and reserve infantry.

M1933: Semi automatic rifle with a 10 round detachable magazine. Used by regular infantry.



Machine guns:


M1930 (ZB vz.30): Standard LMG.

08/15: Standard medium machine gun/also light machine gun in reserve units.

M1936(Browning M2): Standard HMG in 12.7x99mm


Anti tank rifles: All in 13.2x92mm

Model 2: Single shot, falling block action. Improved from Paraguayan Model 1 with a quick removable barrel for easier carry. Current export model.

Model 3: Bolt action with a with a three round DBM and a quick removable barrel. Future export model. Currently in troop testing.



The M1909, M1915, M1916, M95/21 rifles, the Lewis, the MG08 and the M1922 machine guns have been sold to Spain.

The M1922/29 machine guns have been sold to Germany.

The M1925 machine carbines have been converted to M1922.

The M1908, 08/12 rifles have been converted to M1912/30.

Edited by Markus Becker, 28 June 2020 - 1704 PM.

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#766 Simon Tan

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Posted 28 June 2020 - 2225 PM

I am told the Swiss are jealous of us. Herr Furrer does not understand why nobody else likes toggle locks.


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#767 Markus Becker

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Posted 29 June 2020 - 0723 AM

I'm certain Winchester likes them a lot but so much that they dont see the advantage in the simplicity of a lever delayed action. :)

Jokes aside, we'll send them some M1935 to test.

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Posted 29 June 2020 - 0819 AM

I'm certain Winchester likes them a lot ...

Not after 1876 model.


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#769 Markus Becker

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Posted 29 June 2020 - 1423 PM

"Stop with the negative chronology, Boriarty." ;)


The 73 was a bestseller by any standard.

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Posted 30 June 2020 - 0429 AM

Replaced by model 1892 which actually served in the official role (Spanish Guardia Civil) unlike 1873 which no military adopted.


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#771 Simon Tan

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Posted 30 June 2020 - 0534 AM

Winchester is currently doing Ed Browning's G30 self-loader.

 


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#772 Markus Becker

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Posted 30 June 2020 - 0635 AM

Yes, the '92 sold even better but the '73s numbers are very good too and if a certain internet source is correct production of the '73 continued even after the introduction of the '92.

In any case, the remark was an albeit vague reference to Furrer's coworker who later designed the 43M SMG with a lever delayed action. In this timeline he's the one behind Winchester's lever delayed blowback carbines.
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#773 Simon Tan

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Posted 02 July 2020 - 0027 AM

Toggle delays and lever actuated toggle locks are two separate things.
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#774 Markus Becker

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Posted 03 July 2020 - 0508 AM

I know, the comment was meant to be humorous.

On a serious note. The Schwarzlose had a toggle delayed action and that inspired Pedersten to invent lever delay, though it never went past the prototype stage. But the information was out there and someone could have used it sooner than Pal Kiraly did.
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