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#1 Dawes

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Posted 19 October 2018 - 1707 PM

Doesn't say what variant is involved, only "Extended Range":

 

http://www.dsca.mil/...as/uk_18-40.pdf


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Posted 19 October 2018 - 1801 PM

Likely similar to the Canadian F's


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Posted 20 October 2018 - 0153 AM

C.O.D.


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Posted 20 October 2018 - 0653 AM

C.O.D.

Did you notice the M240H machine guns?

https://youtu.be/w35Vacn-GpY
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Posted 20 October 2018 - 0727 AM

Maybe they want to keep scurvy ridden sailors at bay? :)


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Posted 20 October 2018 - 0935 AM

Why would the UK order M240's from the US instead of using their own L7 variants?


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Posted 20 October 2018 - 0958 AM

The same reason why we ordered M60's with one of the earlier batches, its cheaper to do that, than redesign it to take UK weapons. Im sure in time we will, but I think the MOD have finally woken up to what happens when you build UK specific version with the last batch of Chinooks we bought. Why take the risk?

http://news.bbc.co.u.../uk/3606325.stm


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Posted 20 October 2018 - 1018 AM

Interesting. I would have thought that the M240 and L7 would be quite similar in overall design.


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Posted 20 October 2018 - 1023 AM

It wouldnt surprise me if they are, but, well, why take the risk? The MOD is so underfunded now, and has such a bad reputation at poor speccing, they are increasingly just buying off the peg. I gather the P8's we are buying off the yanks have minimal changes.A shame, because we cant use our own sonarbouy's, but it kind of reflects the budget and time constraints they are up against perhaps.


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Posted 20 October 2018 - 1037 AM

I did notice that the request doesn't make any provision for "UK specific" equipment.


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Posted 20 October 2018 - 1110 AM

The M240 has significant differences from the L7/8 series and I'm not sure there would be parts interchangeability - certainly not the gas system. It makes sense to buy them for the same reason it did to buy M60s - they're already integrated with the aircraft.


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Posted 20 October 2018 - 1121 AM

Maybe they want to keep scurvy ridden sailors at bay? :)

 

Its not scurvy that those sailors are ridden with. 


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Posted 20 October 2018 - 1125 AM

The planned Block II Chinook features a host of upgrades (rotor blades, engine and transmission, airframe, etc.) but is apparently on budgetary thin ice, as the Army is looking at reprogramming funds to support the future rotorcraft projects. The Chinook generally works as advertised, but is starting to be seen by some as a flying antique.


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Posted 20 October 2018 - 1133 AM

 

Maybe they want to keep scurvy ridden sailors at bay? :)

 

Its not scurvy that those sailors are ridden with. 

 

 

Well you can understand the RAF being wary, with all the brylcream they are probably too hard to resist for the wrong kind of sailor. :D


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Posted 20 October 2018 - 1136 AM

The planned Block II Chinook features a host of upgrades (rotor blades, engine and transmission, airframe, etc.) but is apparently on budgetary thin ice, as the Army is looking at reprogramming funds to support the future rotorcraft projects. The Chinook generally works as advertised, but is starting to be seen by some as a flying antique.

 

The problem is, its an RAF airframe. The only reason the RAF argued to have them in the first place was to support the Harrier Force in the field. If the RAF is talking about going back into the field with F35B, well fair enough. But somehow I dont think they are going to want to be operating something that expensive out of Farmer Giles Farm.

 

I think we still need heavy lift, but the logic of the RAF having an asset thats pretty much only useful to the Army and the Navy is pretty wierd. Im not surprised if its a hard sell, particularly if its funds the other services need..


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Posted 20 October 2018 - 1744 PM

Having an asset that is useful to the other services helps get them their slice of the cake. The Chinook isn't very useful for the peer vs peer scenarios that we're meant to be focusing on now though. Even one CH-47 could buy us a lot of EXACTOR 2s and I know which I'd rather have.


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Posted 20 October 2018 - 1811 PM

Recall that the USAF originally selected the Chinook for it's CSAR replacement. After the laughing stopped, they chose an H-60 variant. 


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Posted 21 October 2018 - 0201 AM

:D

 

I can still vividly remember reading an RAF Benevolent society magazine on the way back from the 1980 Greenham Common show, and they had a feature on them. In RAF service they were brand new then. Hilariously at least one they bought back then is still in service.


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Posted 21 October 2018 - 1218 PM

BN?


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Posted 21 October 2018 - 1221 PM

Still is as far as I know. I assume most of her comrades are still sitting on Atlantic Conveyor...


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